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Thanks for posting the link for Coker.:thumbsup:
Those tires are what I need to put on the R/T.
Besides the safety factor, I'm sure they will make the ride much better.
The price being way better than the bias ply is a bonus.

You're welcome! I recently put the bias looking redline radials on my GTO and they ride nice.

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Don't bias-ply's still come stock on some trailers?
Yes and should be outlawed. Instead the government is figuring out whether I'm worthy of health insurance and taking away per diem for truck drivers and forcing us to put major components on depreciation schedules instead of single one time write offs. Yes the system is broken, but I think you knew that.
 
ya know, we used to drive at all kinds of speeds and such on bias ply tires. They'd last 20-40K miles if you kept the inflation pressures high enough (more toward 30psi than 24psi), usually lasting the longest on Chrysler products, by observations. Many bias ply tires traversed the great American Southwest at speeds of 90mph in the heat of summer with few problems. BUT the difference was in the quality of the tires, even the less expensive ones, AND the general knowledge of the service station people of what those pressures needed to be. By the middle '80s, it seemed the D-metric bias ply tires were NOT of the same quality of construction and materials as what the mainstream major brand bias ply tires were 20 years prior, to me. If you wanted better tires, equivalent to the major brand bias ply tires of the '60s, you got the newer belted-bias ply tires. Later? Radials.

Bias-belted were a hybrid of sorts, which worked better. Radials were still too expensive for the general public . . . until fuel economy/emissions concerns made them more popular and tire manufacturers found ways to make them lighter and less expensive.

The last non-P-metric radial I bought had much thicker sidewalls than what replaced it. When we had a Federal Excise Tax on tires (10 cents/pound) the normal 8.55x14 or H78x14 tire had a sales tax of $2.80-$3.00 tire (28-30 pounds/tire). Check the tire weights in TireRack specs sheets and you'll see there have been about 5 pounds of weight that's not there any more in similar-size tires. That's a lot of rubber! Especially in the sidewalls. I've got some of the old BFG Silvertown Belted H78-14 whitewalls that were on my '66 Newport (1972 production) that graphically indicate how thick the older sidewalls were. BTAIM

We learned about 15 years ago that BFG would not warranty any tire over 6 years old, even if it had spent that time in one of their warehouses. In the middle '70s, Exxon wanted all of the tires on their company vehicles replaced at 30K miles, as I understand it. But then back then, many tires were getting worn out by that time. One of their safety regulations, it seems.

The issue I might have with the radial-look tires is just how wide the radial belt might be on those "narrow-tread width" tires? Yet they still also have the earlier tread designs that might not be as good as the later ones, considering wet weather traction and such. For me, "the jury's still out" on them, unless they are the wider-tread performance tires. Personally, I like to maintain "the correct look" of the car and match modern tires to that, when possible, whether in the correct whitesidewall width or physical dimensions.

Enjoy as the "car driving season" progresses!
CBODY67
 
To me, it's the quality of construction rather than the type of construction. Provided the ultimate use coincides with the intended use of the tire.

Trailer tires don't have to endure many of the same issues of car tires. Many of them are still bias ply tires for things like horse trailers and such. The trailers that are on OTR rigs have been radials for many years. Mileage durability and fuel economy are significant issues in that market demographic, I suspect. Many carcasses are re-capped, too.

CBODY67
 
ya know, we used to drive at all kinds of speeds and such on bias ply tires. They'd last 20-40K miles if you kept the inflation pressures high enough (more toward 30psi than 24psi), usually lasting the longest on Chrysler products, by observations. Many bias ply tires traversed the great American Southwest at speeds of 90mph in the heat of summer with few problems. BUT the difference was in the quality of the tires, even the less expensive ones, AND the general knowledge of the service station people of what those pressures needed to be. By the middle '80s, it seemed the D-metric bias ply tires were NOT of the same quality of construction and materials as what the mainstream major brand bias ply tires were 20 years prior, to me. If you wanted better tires, equivalent to the major brand bias ply tires of the '60s, you got the newer belted-bias ply tires. Later? Radials.

Bias-belted were a hybrid of sorts, which worked better. Radials were still too expensive for the general public . . . until fuel economy/emissions concerns made them more popular and tire manufacturers found ways to make them lighter and less expensive.

The last non-P-metric radial I bought had much thicker sidewalls than what replaced it. When we had a Federal Excise Tax on tires (10 cents/pound) the normal 8.55x14 or H78x14 tire had a sales tax of $2.80-$3.00 tire (28-30 pounds/tire). Check the tire weights in TireRack specs sheets and you'll see there have been about 5 pounds of weight that's not there any more in similar-size tires. That's a lot of rubber! Especially in the sidewalls. I've got some of the old BFG Silvertown Belted H78-14 whitewalls that were on my '66 Newport (1972 production) that graphically indicate how thick the older sidewalls were. BTAIM

We learned about 15 years ago that BFG would not warranty any tire over 6 years old, even if it had spent that time in one of their warehouses. In the middle '70s, Exxon wanted all of the tires on their company vehicles replaced at 30K miles, as I understand it. But then back then, many tires were getting worn out by that time. One of their safety regulations, it seems.

The issue I might have with the radial-look tires is just how wide the radial belt might be on those "narrow-tread width" tires? Yet they still also have the earlier tread designs that might not be as good as the later ones, considering wet weather traction and such. For me, "the jury's still out" on them, unless they are the wider-tread performance tires. Personally, I like to maintain "the correct look" of the car and match modern tires to that, when possible, whether in the correct whitesidewall width or physical dimensions.

Enjoy as the "car driving season" progresses!
CBODY67

To me, it's the quality of construction rather than the type of construction. Provided the ultimate use coincides with the intended use of the tire.

Trailer tires don't have to endure many of the same issues of car tires. Many of them are still bias ply tires for things like horse trailers and such. The trailers that are on OTR rigs have been radials for many years. Mileage durability and fuel economy are significant issues in that market demographic, I suspect. Many carcasses are re-capped, too.

CBODY67

Good info, thanks.

The bias look radials I got for the GTO are actually wider than the redline radials I was previously running. As for wet weather, that is of zero concern to me as I do not drive my cars if there is even the hint of rain in the forecast. That being said, the jury is still out on these as they were just recently released. Judging by my past experience with Coker and the feedback thus far on my set of bias looks, I'm anticipating many miles of worry free cruising.
 
ya know, we used to drive at all kinds of speeds and such on bias ply tires. They'd last 20-40K miles if you kept the inflation pressures high enough (more toward 30psi than 24psi), usually lasting the longest on Chrysler products, by observations. Many bias ply tires traversed the great American Southwest at speeds of 90mph in the heat of summer with few problems
There was nothing else to compare it to, and cost almost always wins when new(expensive) technology comes around.
The last non-P-metric radial I bought had much thicker sidewalls than what replaced it
Sidewalls do not hold up your car, the air pressure trapped in the tire holds up the rim.
Thicker tire and stiffer construction adds weigh and internal friction, making the tire run hotter. Heat is energy. Since tires are not a thermal or heat producing device, where does their heat come from? It is absorbed from it's environment. Friction against the road surface, slipping, non-conforming to road irregularities, low air pressure, or increased sidewall flexing. All of this creates more heat increasing the energy used to move the tire and decreasing it lifespan. Bias tires always run hotter than radials for these reasons.
There is no good reason for the government to not outlaw the future sale of biased tires for normal use it. new small trailers, equipment, etc.. Most of these tires are made in China and would be a burden for domestic tire manufacturers to dedicate a division to. A win win, not made in China, not on our highways wasting fuel and increasing safety because of average highway speed is higher than ever, (a '69 300cid F250 with 4.10 gears and no overdrive is not pulling your horse trailer at the same speed as a '12 6.4 powerstroke with a 8speed trans with 4.56 rear and 2 overdrives)
The issue I might have with the radial-look tires is just how wide the radial belt might be on those
You just don't need 400 plys of nylon to do what 2 plus of nylon(one each way) and one or 2 steel belts at tread for stability and road hazard resistance.
Big truck tires still carry a "ply rating" which has nothing to do with actual plus in the construction. My 11R24.5 on my truck and trailer are 16 ply rated, the actual construction is all steel one ply sidewalls and 4 at the tread, they weigh about 2/3 of a old 10.00/ 20 and run about 50% cooler. 18 times that is a lot of weight and energy savings.
 
I do like the bias-look tires, but I don't know if is going to "look" like a 14" tire once mounted.
When speaking with Coker yesterday about the dimensions on the FR60-15 they sell compared to my GR60-15's, I learned the FR60-15 tire is about 3/4" narrower and about 1" shorter than mine.
From the back of my car, the current tires already look narrow. I wouldn't want to go any more skinny than these.
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The tire that best matches my dimensions are the B/F Goodrich 235/60R-15.
After learning this about the Coker tire size, and the limited driving I do annually with the R/T, I might just go with the same Goodyear bias-ply, but still have plenty of time to decide since the car is off the road until spring.
 
I do like the bias-look tires, but I don't know if is going to "look" like a 14" tire once mounted.
When speaking with Coker yesterday about the dimensions on the FR60-15 they sell compared to my GR60-15's, I learned the FR60-15 tire is about 3/4" narrower and about 1" shorter than mine.
From the back of my car, the current tires already look narrow. I wouldn't want to go any more skinny than these.View attachment 161176
The tire that best matches my dimensions are the B/F Goodrich 235/60R-15.
After learning this about the Coker tire size, and the limited driving I do annually with the R/T, I might just go with the same Goodyear bias-ply, but still have plenty of time to decide since the car is off the road until spring.
You know my feelings but I understand the "look" on a car like yours. Narrower is not ideal. Chargers especially 1st gen cars are really trapped, with the wheel cover blue streak look, they are like pizza cutters. Good luck, too bad you could not look at these first hand like at Carlisle at Coker's trailer sometimes they look and fit better than on a spec sheet.
 
Agreed. Seeing them on a car would make the decision much easier.
Someday I will be at Chryslers at Carlisle, but making the 11 hour/700 mile trip will require some planning on my part.
 
Agreed. Seeing them on a car would make the decision much easier.
Someday I will be at Chryslers at Carlisle, but making the 11 hour/700 mile trip will require some planning on my part.
Not to mention that tire of yours ain't making that trip.:poke:
I'll try not to highjack your thread anymore, but sometimes it is overwhelmingly hard to resist, and it's really cold today, so other than making wedding soup I have no distractions.
 
Agreed. Seeing them on a car would make the decision much easier.
Someday I will be at Chryslers at Carlisle, but making the 11 hour/700 mile trip will require some planning on my part.

Bring that R/T!

BTW, a few more pictures of it would highly appreciated. LOL! Sweet car!!!
 
To me, the radial-look tires serve a purpose for those that like "piecrust" sidewalls and narrow tread. Because the tread is narrower, so must the radial belt under it. With the vintage tread designs (other than the Firestones and red lines) not as much safety increase as with the more modern radial treads and their "void space". Just my own observations.

Sidewalls are where radials flex most. That's easy to discover by either putting your palm on the tread and then the sidewall after a highway drive. Quite a temperature difference! More "beef" there and there's more heat to be absorbed before something ill happens. No sidewall "flaps" to protect the white sidewalls from curb contact if there's generally no white sidewall to be concerned with.

My point about the earlier times when we did unspeakable things on bias ply tires is that WE lived through it. Same as with non-standard seat belts in an era when all Mothers seemed to be equipped with spring-loaded right arms to nail the kid seated beside her to the seat in an emergency stop.

I don't know that the government is outlawing bias ply tires. As better tire constructions came to market, the sales of bias ply tires decreased . . . as did the choices of bias ply tires. I don't believe the quality of construction of the last bias ply tires produced came anywhere close to what we bought in the earlier 1960s from (for example) Goodyear, Firestone, BFG, and similar. That sales decline also helped by the expansion of the radial tire selection moving more down-market as production increased. Not the government, but the consumer made those decisions. Consumers determined that radials were best and purchased accordingly.

What the government DID do was, with the advent of the alpha-numeric sizing system (also consumer-oriented at the time) was to put specs for the minimum size and load-carrying specs for the tire sizes. The max deviation from the spec size was 7%, as an article in the old CAR LIFE magazine stated.

The later tire performance specs (Treadwear, Traction, Heat Resistance) are self-generated by the tire companies. Some rate their tires a little more conservatively than others.

As things have progressed, some tire sizes that were very common in the '60s and earlier '70s have become somewhat extinct in many brands. Including the "H"-series tires which came on C-body cars (14" and 15" wheels) for many years. Fortunately, there are some close-match P-matric sizes that will work in "consumer" tires at more reasonable prices. Either that or repro tires at $300.00 each.

CBODY67
 
721 tires, weren't they the first failure scandal that Firestone went through.
I think those were always radials.
"Seven strands surrounding two strands wrapped by one"
 
721 tires, weren't they the first failure scandal that Firestone went through.
I think those were always radials.
"Seven strands surrounding two strands wrapped by one"
I believe you're thinking of the 500... that was the big recall... 721's were the replacement and I was still putting them on in the 90's. I believe they were the end of WWs from FS too.
 
I believe you're thinking of the 500... that was the big recall... 721's were the replacement and I was still putting them on in the 90's. I believe they were the end of WWs from FS too.
Back then, you could put tires on the side of the road and the they would get picked up with the trash... A buddy of mine would spot these old tires and would grab any Firestone 500 he saw.

Firestone was replacing those tires, no questions asked, no matter what condition, and whatever size you wanted. He gathered enough Firestone 500 tires to replace the tires on all his cars with new 721's.
 
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