barnfind
Old Man with a Hat
Has anyone used this product in their build? Good , bad, indifferent?
Design News - Features - Less friction, more speed
Design News - Features - Less friction, more speed
Microblue, anyone?
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commando1
Old Man with a Hat
Great stuff for your $250,000.00 Formula 1 engine running 10,000 RPM.
I'll pass, though.
I'll pass, though.
Interesting write up... not familiar with this product, but Some cars have coated cylinder bores Nikasil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Others have coated pistons
Piston skirt coatings | High Power Media
I have heard from machine shops and race guys who have tried this that results are not consistent and that many poor quality results happen for well equipped professionals. I would wait for some true results from a source I trusted... in many cases a failed attempt results in an unusable part.
Kelgar50
New Member
Alot of guys in the trucking industry are doing this to there trucks (wheel bearings, diff bearings,etc...) and they are having good luck with it.Also put picking up a few 1/10 mpg as well.
Cool... please keep the information coming... I dont dispute the science, but real world amateur application is an entirely different thing. I am now a lot more interested, and who drives harder than truckers? Great test subjects.
twostick
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Kevin
We don't use it at the Proving Ground.
Years ago the Canadian Army researched various lubricant additives and the result was Moly-Slip being selected for use in all vehicles. The stuff is freaking amazing. My Dad was involved with these tests and he brought some samples home to play with on our cars. Forty years later I`m still a user.
commando1
Old Man with a Hat
My company's fleet was #2 in sze for private company U.S. carriers, right after Walmart.
Because of that, every company that made anything for trucking wanted us to be their testbed for them. I saw more **** come and go than I can remember.
The only thing that they kept after a trial period was up was Lucas Oil Additive.
Because of that, every company that made anything for trucking wanted us to be their testbed for them. I saw more **** come and go than I can remember.
The only thing that they kept after a trial period was up was Lucas Oil Additive.
Interesting, Paul used a lot of Lucus products in my Fury and I have been wondering how good they were.
commando1
Old Man with a Hat
Because of my company's results, I tried it.
My new Corvette LS3:
Before Lucas, rock steady 195° day in, day out.
After Lucas, 191°.
I was convinced.
twostick
Senior Member
That Micro Blue process is supposed to deliver similar results. Less temp = less friction = go faster or further on same fuel.
Kevin
67Monaco
Go Woke, Go Broke.
For years the long range shooting guys have been using hBN, Hex-Boron Nitride for bullet coating. Similar results but with the mess of the Tungston disulphide or molly. They're all applied the same way impact plating, essentially a tumbler with ball bearings and a generous dose of the friction modifier, mix, and tumble for a few hours. When I was playing the f-class game, I picked up about 200 feet per second over the course of 50 rounds with it. The thing about hBN is that it isn't affected by moisture, something that would be advantageous in an automotive application.
commando1
Old Man with a Hat
Of course none of this miracle coatings/ lubricants will work without this...
While the Canadian Army tested Moly-Slip they also noted reduced operating temperatures. As well two other oddities came to light. If they used Moly in a newly built engine and then after a bunch of running hours pulled it apart, they discovered nothing appeared to break in. So a rule was cooked up, no additives until XX hours (I forget the exact numbers, it's been over 50 years) to allow everything to wear in.
The second point I remember, they were testing a number of big tank engines on test stands under various loads. Effectively a dyno. Anyway they started with fresh engines, then ran through a break in and then introduced Moly. During the testing, dyno results were taken and loads varied to simulate field conditions. After about a few thousand hours of this, one of the test engines lost a little power and the running temp shifted up a few degrees. As it turned out the engine oil had been drained for lab testing and the tech somehow forgot to refill that engine and nobody noticed a lack of oil pressure. They pulled the engine apart to discover zero damage, the Molybdenum disulfide had coated and protected all the bearing surfaces.
The second point I remember, they were testing a number of big tank engines on test stands under various loads. Effectively a dyno. Anyway they started with fresh engines, then ran through a break in and then introduced Moly. During the testing, dyno results were taken and loads varied to simulate field conditions. After about a few thousand hours of this, one of the test engines lost a little power and the running temp shifted up a few degrees. As it turned out the engine oil had been drained for lab testing and the tech somehow forgot to refill that engine and nobody noticed a lack of oil pressure. They pulled the engine apart to discover zero damage, the Molybdenum disulfide had coated and protected all the bearing surfaces.
commando1
Old Man with a Hat
Years ago there used to be infomercials where they always drained the oil out of a treated engine and it kept running.
Pouring This Stuff In Your Car Is Money Down The Drain
Pouring This Stuff In Your Car Is Money Down The Drain
Yatzee
Active Member
As far as I can make out from reading the information on the website this product is nothing short of "mind boggling" snake oil. There's a big dance about it's uses and properties but some issues need a little bit more "splaining". "high-velocity impingement process" - what the hell is that and how is it done? Spray paint is applied in this way and so is metalizing. All the facts about clearances appear correct but wouldn't you do both friction surfaces. I've worked on high speed, high torque production machinery and never really heard of this. We preferred to use specialized lubricants modified for their intended purposes - stuff made by manufacturers the average guy couldn't buy let alone afford. We constantly disassembled our machinery to check for wear and tear, how often are you going to take your personal engine apart to see if there's value for the money spent. It seems these days, everybody's got a new "mouse trap" but if there's nothing caught in the trap your first instinct is to assume you have no mice. This may be a genuine break thru but personally I'd like to see some pictures, documentation of testing, and personal evaluations as well as the methods and means. I really have to wonder why modern engine manufacturers like Chrysler, Ford and GM aren't all over this stuff instead of using "0" grade oils. Truth is, I could probably replace the engine with a new one for the cost of this process.
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