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Does anyone know why Mopar doesn't appear to recommend a Mopar oil filter for our cars? C-body era Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth vehicles don't even appear on either of these Mopar websites:
Filters | Official Mopar Site

http://www.moparrepairconnection.ca/filters-catalogue/

They used to recommend the MO-090 for my 440, and I assume for the 383 & 400 as well. I've used it before, without issue, and installed one again today without issue:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mopar-Oil-Filter-MO-090/46040035

While Mopar doesn't appear to recommend anything, Summit Racing recommends this one:
Mopar Performance Oil Filters P4452890

I wonder what changed?
I ask because AACA meets (Antique Automobile Club of America), prefer the car to be very original.
 
Does anyone know why Mopar doesn't appear to recommend a Mopar oil filter for our cars? C-body era Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth vehicles don't even appear on either of these Mopar websites:
Filters | Official Mopar Site

http://www.moparrepairconnection.ca/filters-catalogue/

They used to recommend the MO-090 for my 440, and I assume for the 383 & 400 as well. I've used it before, without issue, and installed one again today without issue:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mopar-Oil-Filter-MO-090/46040035

While Mopar doesn't appear to recommend anything, Summit Racing recommends this one:
Mopar Performance Oil Filters P4452890

I wonder what changed?
I ask because AACA meets (Antique Automobile Club of America), prefer the car to be very original.


What I think happened is that the original filter you referenced might now be obsolete. Pretty much every mopar, 318,340,360,383,400 426w and 440 used the same spin on filter for normal applications. The other thing that has happened is that these days mopar wants to concentrate on their modern series of performance engines such as the Demon and Hellcat. The older performance stuff is being let go.

If you are getting dinged for not having the correct mopar part number for your filter, I would suggest looking up the part number in the online parts manuals that are readily available for your application and search online for a correct replacement filter. www.mymopar.com has the parts manuals on line for free download.

Dave
 
Herbs Mopar parts has a repro. Mopar oil filter for 40.00 bucks.
 
Mopar Performance used to have SEVERAL different oil filters for the different eras of engines they were used on. Their "Restoration Parts" catalog, as I recall.

Back when these cars were new and "used cars", we usually used Motorcraft/Ford FL-1A filters on them. Same size as the original "long" filter Chrysler used back then, but didn't have to go to the dealer to get them. The logos changed over the years, as did the colors of the filter housing and the graphics on it.

Then, in the later '70s when Chrysler started to use A.I.R. pumps, they went to the short filter as the belt to run the air pump would have went through the long filter, so a shorter one was needed. The P-part filter mentioned is that length AND is not $40.00. The shorter one might have been available earlier on for LA-motors, due to the way the filter mounted to the block, as the right-angle filter adapter allowed the longer filter to be used in those applications.

CBODY67
 
Mopar Performance used to have SEVERAL different oil filters for the different eras of engines they were used on. Their "Restoration Parts" catalog, as I recall.

Back when these cars were new and "used cars", we usually used Motorcraft/Ford FL-1A filters on them. Same size as the original "long" filter Chrysler used back then, but didn't have to go to the dealer to get them. The logos changed over the years, as did the colors of the filter housing and the graphics on it.

Then, in the later '70s when Chrysler started to use A.I.R. pumps, they went to the short filter as the belt to run the air pump would have went through the long filter, so a shorter one was needed. The P-part filter mentioned is that length AND is not $40.00. The shorter one might have been available earlier on for LA-motors, due to the way the filter mounted to the block, as the right-angle filter adapter allowed the longer filter to be used in those applications.

CBODY67


For purposes of good protection, the Hastings LF-115 is probably one of the best filters on the market, but is wont make the points people happy.
Dave
 
Wix was shown to have very good "guts" in the FL-1A size in Auto-x magazine many years ago. Good filter media size and a coil spring pressure bypass valve (rather than a flat spring). BUT the end of the FL-1A is not correct for judging issues, even if it's repainted.

In the old "Turbo Dodges and Front-Drive Chryslers" website, from the 1990s, the owner of that website did a "cut and see" investigation into Chrysler-application oil filters. Quite interesting. www.minimoper.net/oilfilters/index.html will get to the basic page, then click on the links under "Description" for the information. Started in 1999 and last update was in 2008, so some things might have changed since then.

ONE thing to consider . . . when the engines are painted at the engine plant, the oil filters are already on them. So painting them "engine color" would be one way to get around the judging issues. Replacement filters would need to have the correct era logos and such.

CBODY67
 
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I ask because AACA meets (Antique Automobile Club of America), prefer the car to be very original.[/QUOTE]





If "very original" is your goal. Then the oil filter should be painted engine color. The engines were test started on a carousal, then painted including the oil filter and most of the exhaust manifolds. If the first oil change was done at a dealership they would likely use a Mopar filter. But then its a service part.
No sense paying a premium for the Mopar filter just because it has "Mopar" printed on it.
 
I don't recall that being the case, when we bought new cars in 1977 or so.
I know I'm getting old, but I would have remembered taking an oil filter wrench to a filter that was painted blue, on the engine block.
I seem to recall the original filters were a different version of the Mopar filters sold in the dealers parts department at the time, but they were definitely not blue.

At any rate, Walmart's $6 Mopar filter isn't really that expensive..
 
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We know that cars (and other related mechanisms) are only original once, which would be prior to the first oil change, typically. Or in the case of OEM production components, while those "production" items are still installed. When the issue of "service parts" comes into play, it can, things can get variable really quickly.

Unless we do the work ourselves and also control the items used, we are "at the mercy" of the mechanic shop/parts procurers to get "the correct items" to do the repairs/work. AND that can be variable as to what's used. Even if it's at a dealership, a smaller dealership that desires to "turn jobs" can use NAPA or similar for their parts source of "OEM Quality" parts that will do a good job for the customer, OR they can make the customer wait as they procure OEM-brand items from other dealerships or their OEM parts warehouse chain.

Even then, the OEM's can and have changed their logos from time to time, possibly also combined with the base color of the part involved. But it'll still have the OEM logo on it, whereas the "other" brands will not.

It used to really "get" me when I'd be at a higher-level car show and see a really nice car with an auto supply battery in it, rather than at least the same brand of battery that would have been in it when new, yet NOT a repro battery per se, just the same OEM brand as the car. Which can lead to a few other scenarios . . . was the same level of "care" used in sourcing the innards of the customized/hot rod engine? What other places did the owner/shop cut corners to save money/time? For just a few dollars more, an OEM-brand battery that matched the brand of the vehicle . . . That's just me and the way I look at things.

In the case of "consumer vehicles" and their enthusiasts, it seems that Mopar enthusiasts seem to be more "hands-on" (literally) in doing repairs on their vehicles (dirty fingers/fingernails and all). As some of the higher-level GM brand enthusiasts will seek "a shop" to do their work, trusting the shop to make it right. Then we get to a national event judging and there is a question about something "the shop" did. One year, at the Buick Club of American national meet, one show participant had ordered some "correct" engine paint from a noted vendor, but it didn't match the original color on another similar vehicle. The dialogue erupted that "I got the paint from _______ and it's supposed to be right." "But it can't be right as it doesn't match the original paint on _______'s car." Eventually, the vendor admitted their indiscretion and changed their paint formula. Not unlike the Krylon "GM Blue" engine paint that was not anywhere close to the factory GM Blue engine paint, being far closer to Krylon Ford Blue engine paint in darkness. I believe similar issues m ight have happened with Chrysler Blue, also?

By observation, there are some things the AACA allows that other car groups do NOT allow, be that as it may. SO, you have to know the rules and interpretations of the particular people writing the rules (and how they are interpreted) to build a car that will meet those respective criteria. Which will tend to govern "how you play the game". There are some judging rules which can and do overlap, but that's NOT a universal situation! A variable situation, at the least.

In the case of the oil filter, seeing an obvious Purolator filter case painted Chrysler engine color rather than an engine color filter with the "Hex flats" on the end would not be good to see in a judged situation where such things are important.

CBODY67
 
Back when these cars were new and "used cars", we usually used Motorcraft/Ford FL-1A filters on them. Same size as the original "long" filter Chrysler used back then, but didn't have to go to the dealer to get them. The logos changed over the years, as did the colors of the filter housing and the graphics on it.
TCBODY67


I have always used a FL-1A on every thing that it would fit on, and I never had a problem. I'll still use them to this day, and have one on a /6 as I write this! The links on #1 are really lame, one doesn't even go back to 66. And the other doesn't even mention any Mopar for 66
 
I think I can explain why some believe that Mopar painted the oil filters with the engine block, but I never saw one like that. I started looking at brand new Mopars around 1974. The Chrysler engines in cars changed slightly sometime in the 1970's.

The first photo provided below is an old black & white photo of a 1977 440. The second photo is a 1969 440. As indicated here, and as my memory serves, the 1977 oil filters were not painted the same color as the engine. Those filters were also different than what was sold in the dealer's parts department.
However, it appears that in 1969, Mopar oil filters were painted the same color as the engine block.

440-1977.jpg
440.jpg
 
I bought a vintage NOS Mopar oil filter (L-19 I think), and scanned it. One of these days I plan to get clear labels printed, paint up a bunch of wix 51068 filters white, and stick 'em on. Just for kicks. I ain't paying $40 a filter either, now days I prefer to buy in bulk at rockauto.
 
I use a 4" filter on the 440 like this.
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The 318 gets this longer filter which wont fit the 440.


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They both fit for most applications. I do not use Fram filters, the mount gasket and threads are the same for both filters. I used to use Fram PH8A on everything 40 years ago. Quality went to hell about 20 years ago. Now use Hastings filters. As I recall, some of the small fury's had a clearance issue with the long filter with the big block. The older stuff '75 and back can all use the long filter.

Dave
 
They both fit for most applications. I do not use Fram filters, the mount gasket and threads are the same for both filters. I used to use Fram PH8A on everything 40 years ago. Quality went to hell about 20 years ago. Now use Hastings filters. As I recall, some of the small fury's had a clearance issue with the long filter with the big block. The older stuff '75 and back can all use the long filter.

Dave
In my case the long filter will not go past the belt on the 68 Monaco. 440 block is 77 vintage if that makes a difference.
 
In my case the long filter will not go past the belt on the 68 Monaco. 440 block is 77 vintage if that makes a difference.

It does if you used the '77 pulley set up. There was a re design of the pulley system to accommodate smog pumps (California) and a different frame rail configuration, especially on the M series cars.

Dave
 
It does if you used the '77 pulley set up. There was a re design of the pulley system to accommodate smog pumps (California) and a different frame rail configuration, especially on the M series cars.

Dave


Just exactly what is it that you don’t know sir???

The depth and breadth of your knowledge leaves me awestruck. Please.... Keep it up! It’s much appreciated!

Javier.
 
Hey I’m not going to a car show but I’m having a tough time finding any filter that will fit my 69 318 , I’m just trying to find a filter that will fit ? Here’s a picture of the one that I have on now and it appears not to be wide enough to cover the area of the filter I’ve tried 3 different filters that all said they fit ? Any help would be appreciated

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