Heater control valve?

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I have a non ac 67 newport custom and the heat doesnt seems to work. Everything seems to function correctly just no heat. I have yet to see if there is a thermostat in the engine, but I know there is supposed to be a heater control valve. Is it mechanical in the heater box or vacuum somewhere else? I want to make sure it is functioning. The book isnt much help on this. Any other thoughts would be appreciated.
 
I have a non ac 67 newport custom and the heat doesnt seems to work. Everything seems to function correctly just no heat. I have yet to see if there is a thermostat in the engine, but I know there is supposed to be a heater control valve. Is it mechanical in the heater box or vacuum somewhere else? I want to make sure it is functioning. The book isnt much help on this. Any other thoughts would be appreciated.
Yes there is a heater control valve on the fire wall cable operated. Check there. I replaced mine with a nice brass 12 Volt electric unit. 3/4 NPT FEMALE THREAD. use 3/4 male hose nipples. Wire to 12 Volt toggle switch ignition hot. run with relay and fuse. You didn't mention if you inspected the thermostat.
 
I havent inspected the thermostat yet....that is next on the list. Im resurrecting this car after sitting since 1986...so there are quite a few things to go over.

you say on the firewall....so in the engine compartment or inside the heater box on the firewall?
 
The heater control valve will be under the dash, tucked away on the right hand side on the edge of the heater/AC box
 
Start the car and warm it up, then check the coolant temperature, fully warm it should be about 180F. A lot of folks put 160 stats in these cars, the heater will not work for **** with the cold stat. Also be sure the radiator is full of coolant. This car sat for a very long time, so what ever coolant was in the car may have turned to sludge and could be blocking the heater core. You can see the cable connection to the heater valve with a mirror, move the heat control lever and see if the cable moves the valve or not. If the cable control is moving the valve, most likely the heater core is clogged. You can try reverse flushing the core by unhooking both heater hoses and using a garden hose to back flush the core. Be sure the heater valve is in the full open position before trying to back flush. If a bunch of crap comes out of the core using this method, you may have just got lucky and that will solve your problem. Otherwise, if you can not get water to flow thru the heater core with the heater valve open, you are going to need a new heater core.

Dave
 
When I got my '67 Newport back in 1981, I suspected the heater core might have some accumulation in it. It worked decently well, but that's all. I could feel different temps in the two heater hoses.

So I removed the hoses from the valve on the outside of the firewall, then using lower water pressure put water into the core, the correct path. I got some accumulation out of that, then it ran clean. So, I decided to do the "reverse ffffflllush" deal. Same low pressure. According to a fictional book I read in 8th grade, the old radiator shop guy said that was the best way to get things clean. Initially, some more accumulation came out . . . then it slowed to a drizzle. Put the water into the input nipple. Similar drizzle. Yikes! So I put things back together, put coolant in it, and that's still how it is. I figured that time might get it opened back up, but it didn't. That was when I was driving it pretty often, too.

If I'd stopped with just the first "input" water, things would probably have been better, but not as good as they might have been. Now, not so much. Someday, it'll probably get the core re-done or replaced. That's in the future, somewhere.

The matter of "clogging" can be easily determined. When fully operational, the two heater hoses should be about the same temp with the valve fully opened. You can tell that just by grabbing them individually. Of course, the thermostat needs to be operating correctly, opening at 180 degrees F.

I know the reverse flush is the best way to get things cleaned out, but it can also be the best way to force things "backward" and clog things up, too, as I found out. Better to have a partial clog than "more clogged".

When we replaced the heater core on the '66 Newport (w/factory air cond), back in the middle '70s, the original '66 C-body part number superceded into the part number for a '70 Charger item. That's the part number the dealer ordered and it worked. Still in there. FWIW

CBODY67
 
Oddly both my hoses were warm...I'm wondering if I have a mouse nest blocking the fins or something...I will try the flush first, then pull the box if that doesn't reveal anything. Which line is the intake?
 
Oddly both my hoses were warm...I'm wondering if I have a mouse nest blocking the fins or something...I will try the flush first, then pull the box if that doesn't reveal anything. Which line is the intake?
"What you talking about willis"!First let's go back to that Heater core! Drop the hoses agine and use your air blower wand to push a little air through it in short bursts that should clear it. Also did you use anything like engine block sealer in the motor? That stuff sets up in any low spots.
 
Oddly both my hoses were warm...I'm wondering if I have a mouse nest blocking the fins or something...I will try the flush first, then pull the box if that doesn't reveal anything. Which line is the intake?
The line coming off your water pump nipple is the supply side to the heater core.
 
sorted it out I think......removed the hoses and flushed both directions a few times and got lots of stuff out of the heater core....seems it was clogged...I have alot more heat now....albeit not as much as I think it should have, but it is much better. I have never used engine sealant or any of that mess....but the car sat since 86....only recently has it been running. I think I need to do an entire engine flush because I can still see crap floating in the radiator top. It is a new radiator too btw.
 
The temp at the heater hoses should match engine temp. I had this problem once, the cure was to disconnect the hoses at the heater core. I then attached 2 heater hoses about 4 foot in length to each heater core nipple. Raise both hoses approximately 2 to 3 feet above the core and secure w/ mechanics wire. Using a small funnel, pour high quality radiator flush in one hose. Be sure to keep the flush away from any painted surfaces, the flush can damage the paint. Keep adding flush till it begins to come out of the other hose. Let sit for 1 hour. Flush w/ water both directions till the water runs clear. Remove flush hoses. Reattach your heater hoses, be sure the heater control valve has no obstructions and moves freely. Fill w/ coolant and run engine up to full operation temp. You should good heater temp now. It's a lot of work to do, but should work. In some old heater cores leaking cores can result. Any questions pm me. Good luck.
 
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