Somewhere in Canada most likely.
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LocuMob
Fluid Technician with a hat
Montreal.
I remember back in the day when these cars were every day cars driven in the snow and salt every day. I drove my 69 Super Bee and 73 Challenger in the snow and salt every day in Milwaukee during the winter.
330dTA
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The guy driving the ’69 300 is wearing a hat.
JC68vert300
Senior Member
The guy in the station wagon has a hat on as well. Most men wore hats back then, it was a more sensible time.
Yea, drove my Charger 500 daily back in the 70's, The blizzard of 1978 was one to remember.
sauterd
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so, curious, but I come from Southern Indiana so we had our share of salt and snow, but how did other regions fare back in the day? Were they all pretty much leading to bad results (rusty cars?) I know now some states use beet juice or something (?)
That's just the way it was back then. When I bought my Fury, it's first trip from the dealer was to Ziebart for a total rust proofing. The whole underside was coated, everything except the exhaust pipes and the drive shaft. Hundreds of 1/4" holes were drilled all over the hidden prts of the sheet metal. A long spray wand was then inserted in each hole to spray the inside of every hidden spaces. Once done, litle bright yellow Ziebart plugs were inserted to cap the holeds. Inside trunk, trunk lid, hood, engine compartment and door jams and the doors were covered, look like the car had chicken pox. Here is an example of what it looked like.
Anyhow, you quickly got used to seeing them. However, Ziebart doesn't dry, it stays flexible and when heated it tends to run and drip. So for at least ten years, the car smelt like Ziebart and dripped black tar like stuff everywhere when the hot days of summer arrived. But the car never developed any rattles, road noise was near zero and treated panels never rusted. The car did however get hit twice, once by a cop and the other when a tow truck didn't lock the steering and hit a pole. Both were fixed by their insurance and body shop and within a short time bother repairs started to rust.
Back then, you had to get rust proofing done, otherwise body rot appeared quickly. Another factor, people didn't have garages, car ports were popular. This meant cars were kept frozen. Today cars get put into garages every night to thaw out and this freeze/thaw cycle builds rust like crazy. Worse are those who run their rides through a car wash once a week. My Fury lived in my garage for nearly 20 years so my new daily drivers sat out in the cold. I very seldom wash my daily drivers and interestingly they don't show any signs of rust. Mind you, the cars of today are way more rust proof than those of old.
Anyhow, you quickly got used to seeing them. However, Ziebart doesn't dry, it stays flexible and when heated it tends to run and drip. So for at least ten years, the car smelt like Ziebart and dripped black tar like stuff everywhere when the hot days of summer arrived. But the car never developed any rattles, road noise was near zero and treated panels never rusted. The car did however get hit twice, once by a cop and the other when a tow truck didn't lock the steering and hit a pole. Both were fixed by their insurance and body shop and within a short time bother repairs started to rust.
Back then, you had to get rust proofing done, otherwise body rot appeared quickly. Another factor, people didn't have garages, car ports were popular. This meant cars were kept frozen. Today cars get put into garages every night to thaw out and this freeze/thaw cycle builds rust like crazy. Worse are those who run their rides through a car wash once a week. My Fury lived in my garage for nearly 20 years so my new daily drivers sat out in the cold. I very seldom wash my daily drivers and interestingly they don't show any signs of rust. Mind you, the cars of today are way more rust proof than those of old.
sauterd
Senior Member
thanks for the great info ! I just had never thought a whole lot about the rust issue and different parts of the country/world...and also Ziebart.
So, would it be safe to say (in general) your experience would play out in most other locations that used salt during the winters with about the same effect? Particularity curious about rustproofing, be it Ziebart or factory rust proofing? Was factory considered inferior?
Thanks
I live in an area where heavy salt use has been the norm for a century...Ontario is home to multiple salt mines and therefore it is cheap...
In terms of rust proofing....
1993 with rust proofing from day 1...
2001 without....
Both are zero accident, original paint....the dodge actually has nearly half the mileage of My chev...
Ziebart or any rust proofing are most effective if the car is treated at or close to zero miles. Unfortunately most new car buyers don't go beyond what the factory offers. Modern factory rust proofing is pretty good since new cars have a multi year rust warranty. Cars prior to about 1990 or so didn't get much protection and many rusted very badly after only one winter.
sauterd
Senior Member
so, just on other simple question. Did those that rust proofed still normally hose down underneath after each drive through a lot of snow and salt?
Don't know about others, but I never did. I've always followed the belief that it's better to leave the crude frozen until spring rains start I hit all the water puddles.
I respectfully disagree. Comparing my daily drivers, which get washed (including high-pressure underneath) once every 10-15 days with those of my neighbors that do not get the same treatment, there is no comparison. I keep my DDers 8-10 years, and when I sold every one of them, they looked like they were only 4-5 years old (if that); the neighbors cars, even when clean, after 3-4 years looked older than their age -- and for those that are older than 5 years, rust has started developing.
As for the rest of your post, thank you for the pictures and info!
Probably a lot of things that determine rust growth. I keep my cars about 15 years and being a lazy SOB I seldom wash any of them. I had a '95 Crown Vic that finally got sold in 2009 and I hand washed it once. It usually got a gas station drive thru brushless wash, usually at the beginning of summer. I'm not very car proud.
Anyhow my next door neighbor was a Dr and he loved his cars. He had all the fancy iron, Jaguar, BMW, Audi, Mercedes. Every Saturday morning Frank was washing and polishing his fleet. We kidded back and forth about the benefits of car washing. My Crown Vic never developed any rust, Frank's cars all grew spots around wheel wells, along rocker covers and even the spokes on the Jaguar wheels. His cars all lived in his heated garage, mine lived outdoors while my Fury filled my heated garage.
I bought a new 2006 Jeep and as far as I know it's never been hand washed. It does get the drive through, usually when one of my kids borrow it. I gave the Jeep to @Dobalovr (Graham) back in Jul or Aug of 2017 for a bunch of servicing and he washed it, but that was the last time it's been washed. Zero rust.
I suspect a major rust factor is water!!
The ultimate "hand wash", no wonder the Jeep is so happy!
At the instant of inspection of the washer person, Jer grabz hiz chest and screamz AAARRRGGGHHHH, this iz the big one Ethel. Graham, Pahleez give us mortalz warning when you're gonna slip one of those in on us, dam man? lol
300rag
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That reminds me, clams for dinner...
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