Thermostat Testing

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I pulled my t-stat this morning and tested it in boiling water with a thermometer. The t-stat is stamped 160 but it did not start to open until 175 then fully open by 195. From my research it should have started to open anywhere from 157-163 correct? and be fully open by 180? If so then it seems this t-stat isn't working properly. Should i replace with a 160 or 180 as recommended in another thread. 67 440 non-AC
 
By your description, that isn't right. I'd be concerned that it will be starting to stick or opening later and later at least. They are cheap and you have it out, so yea... Replace it.

IMHO, I'd go with a 160° thermostat, but I know people will disagree with me, but that has always worked the best for me.
 
Im in south Alabama and trying to keep this thing as cool as possible. I was thinking 160 as well but wanted to double check.

Whats the harm of not running a thermostat at all?
 
Im in south Alabama and trying to keep this thing as cool as possible. I was thinking 160 as well but wanted to double check.

Whats the harm of not running a thermostat at all?
You do want the engine to warm up so it runs the best. There's a balance between running too hot and running too cool. The 160° thermostat will let the water start flowing through the block a little earlier, but ultimately, the engine probably isn't going to run much, if any cooler. Same with no thermostat. It's just going to take a longer time to get to proper running temperature where it makes the best power and runs the best.
 
I am not having issues with it running hot, just trying everything I can to lower temps to combat the dang fuel boil in my Eddy carb. Trying to attack it at every angle.
 
You do want the engine to warm up so it runs the best. There's a balance between running too hot and running too cool. The 160° thermostat will let the water start flowing through the block a little earlier, but ultimately, the engine probably isn't going to run much, if any cooler. Same with no thermostat. It's just going to take a longer time to get to proper running temperature where it makes the best power and runs the best.
I would recommend that you put in what is recommended. Engines operate best at a certain temp and it should be kept there. If the engine is going to run hot it won’t matter whether or not you put in no thermostat or a 160 or 180 it will still get hot, just takes a little longer. Replace the t-stat while it’s out and if you have heating issues look elsewhere.
 
I am not having issues with it running hot, just trying everything I can to lower temps to combat the dang fuel boil in my Eddy carb. Trying to attack it at every angle.






Attempting to adjust your engine temp to eliminate "fuel boil" is.... well.... NOT a good idea and won't work anyways. Correct engine temp is crucial to engine performance. I live in Foley so I know what your up against. You need to look at a spacer between the carb and manifold and/or fuel additives.
Or, do what I do, go north for the summer.

Will.
 
Attempting to adjust your engine temp to eliminate "fuel boil" is.... well.... NOT a good idea and won't work anyways. Correct engine temp is crucial to engine performance. I live in Foley so I know what your up against. You need to look at a spacer between the carb and manifold and/or fuel additives.
Or, do what I do, go north for the summer.

Will.
Haha. I’m in North Mobile. Just put an insulator gasket .32” thick and it does not help. Thinking of adding a second one. I have the room. I have about an inch of clearance left.
 
You do want the engine to warm up so it runs the best. There's a balance between running too hot and running too cool. The 160° thermostat will let the water start flowing through the block a little earlier, but ultimately, the engine probably isn't going to run much, if any cooler. Same with no thermostat. It's just going to take a longer time to get to proper running temperature where it makes the best power and runs the best.
Whats the harm of not running a thermostat at all?
From What I've been told years ago, running with no thermostat is bad because the fluid doesn't spend enough time in the radiator to cool down creating a worse situation.
 
Be sure to use the "black oxide" hardened studs for the carb hold-down. The "silver" ones are soft and can twist easily, by observation.

In the middle '70s, I had a friend with a Ford 352 that he was "helping" a bit. He wrote to Edelbrock with some questions. The hand-written reply from Vic (himself?) regarding thermostat temp was that to use a 180 degree, as engine wear would increase with a 160 thermostat. This was in the era when OEM thermostats became 195 degree items from the prior 180 "standard".

Remember, too, that a thermostat is a flow restrictor, to ensure that the water does not move through the engine too quickly, so it can absorb what heat it needs to to keep things at the desired level. With the radiator then releasing that heat to the atmosphere. Many dirt track racers just use big washers with different-sized holes in them for their flow restrictors, in the place of a thermostat as such. Trial and error with the hole size.

Thermostats are inexpensive, as noted. The Robert Shaw item is the best design, but not the "common" design. The RS items were OEM with Chrysler for many years in the '60s and '70s.

For the '72 model year, Chrysler went with a 185 degree thermostat as OEM production on our '72 Newport Royal 400 2bbl. I asked the old-line Chrysler service manager at our local dealership about if that 5 degrees really made any difference. He kind of laughed and said "They'll run at the temp they want to". A few years later, Chrysler was at 195 degree thermostats like everybody else was, as a part of their emissions reduction package.

Back in the middle '50s, NailHead Buick V-8s used a 160 degree thermostat spec. But they also had higher-nickel content blocks and cyl heads, which made them harder and more wear resistant. But they still got too hot in the summer, in a time when a/c was not "everywhere". With THICK radiators that should have kept anything cool, but didn't seem to be able to, by observation.

ALSO, I might also mention that if the cyl block has not been "flushed out", that you know of, this could also be a factor in your situation. Knock all of the core/freeze plugs out of the block, flush out everything in the water jackets, front to back, then put new plugs in to replace the ones you removed, refill with water, pull the lower radiator hose and let the water drain out, then put the hose back on and fill the radiator with quality antifreeze coolant (about 2 gallons, as our a/c Chryslers usually take about 9 quarts).

You'll find that as the block is angled downward toward the cowl, the sediment from accumulated rust will settle in that rear area. Which decreases water flow back there, as a result. Which can also increase latent radiated heat from the block. It's a messy job, best done with the car on n overhead lift (rain suit suggested), but something that will put things back to what they started with when the car was newer. Not something many people think about when chasing "over-heat" issues.

Just some thoughts,
CBODY67
 
On your thermostat, what you describe does tend to be more like a 180 than a 160. Possible that the stamp looks more like 160, but really should be 180? If it's been in the engine for a while, there could be a "wear area" where the center of the thermostat has rubbed against the main structure at the bottom. In any event, the rated temp is where it just starts to open, not the "full open" temp, but usually the "start" temp is where the engine's temp ends up when things are fully open.

Head down to one of the "cheap tool' places and get an Infrared Non-Contact Thermometer "heat gun". With that, you can check individual areas of the engine (or even take your own body temp!) as desired. There are 500 degree F versions and there are also 1000 degree F models for a few dollars more. Usually in the $30.00 range. A good diagnostic tool for many things!

CBODY67
 
On your thermostat, what you describe does tend to be more like a 180 than a 160. Possible that the stamp looks more like 160, but really should be 180? If it's been in the engine for a while, there could be a "wear area" where the center of the thermostat has rubbed against the main structure at the bottom. In any event, the rated temp is where it just starts to open, not the "full open" temp, but usually the "start" temp is where the engine's temp ends up when things are fully open.
I'm stickin with what he said!
Head down to one of the "cheap tool' places and get an Infrared Non-Contact Thermometer "heat gun". With that, you can check individual areas of the engine (or even take your own body temp!) as desired. There are 500 degree F versions and there are also 1000 degree F models for a few dollars more. Usually in the $30.00 range. A good diagnostic tool for many things!

CBODY67

I'm stickin with what he said! Good Luck
 
Here’s the proper thermostat testing procedure:
1. Remove thermostat.
2. Throw thermostat in garbage.
3. Replace with new one.
 
On your thermostat, what you describe does tend to be more like a 180 than a 160. Possible that the stamp looks more like 160, but really should be 180? If it's been in the engine for a while, there could be a "wear area" where the center of the thermostat has rubbed against the main structure at the bottom. In any event, the rated temp is where it just starts to open, not the "full open" temp, but usually the "start" temp is where the engine's temp ends up when things are fully open.

Head down to one of the "cheap tool' places and get an Infrared Non-Contact Thermometer "heat gun". With that, you can check individual areas of the engine (or even take your own body temp!) as desired. There are 500 degree F versions and there are also 1000 degree F models for a few dollars more. Usually in the $30.00 range. A good diagnostic tool for many things!

CBODY67
I double checked it, and it is indeed 160. Got a new one today from auto zone. It is a mr gasket full balanced? Looks like the RS one but will work for now. Got the 180* just to be safe.
 
mr gasket thermostat is junk idk why they even sell it. it won't last very long
 
All good advice here.:thumbsup:
Please keep in mind, that if you get stuck in traffic for long periods of time & your engine starts to heat up, regardless of the T-stat temperature, if the cooling system isn't up to par, the engine will overheat...
 
And the digital Pyrometer suggestion is handy for all areas of the car.
Engine cylinder firing if you suspect a dead cylinder.
Tire temperatures
Bearing temperatures.
Brake rotor & drum temps as well
 
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