My 2018 RAM Longhorn

[commando1]

Sorry to hear that something so simple has to turn into such an ordeal. I take it the advertised price included a rebate you didn’t qualify for under the “Farm Bureau” program? That’s misleading and illegal up here. The advertised price must be available to everyone and include all fees etc only the sales tax is extra. BTW manufacturers are in bed with so many associations government bodies large corporations it’s hard to not find a “special offer” that some unscrupulous dealer will use to be $50 lower than the next guy. At FCA if you recently bought a Case NH tractor we would give you an extra $1000 off or if belong to certain unions you get extra and so on and so on. Military gets a better deal in the states up here not so much

Here's the specifics, Graham.
I took the advertised price in 36 point bold font and ADDED up all the phony **** (in 2 pt. illegible font) I didnt "qualify" for. It even required a Ford financing rebate that I was willing to do and simply do a payoff a month later. I was willing to play that stupid game.
I walked in knowing EVERY trick of the trade.
SEQUENCE OF EVENTS:
1. Greeted
2. Directed into 6x6 cube by product advisor (in conversation with this person, her previous job was school bus driver).
3. Showed her the ad, showed her the checkbook, said to her that she can get her $150 bucks for 5 minutes or work, or, "do you want to make it hard".
150 bucks for 5 minutes of work or 150 bucks for 3 hrs. of torture. Her choice.
4. She says "I'll bring this to my manager" Of course.
5. She comes back and we do the We'll look at your trade-in (the advertised price included "with your $2,500.00 cash or trade." Black book wholesale trade in for my truck was 3 grand in poor condition. Fine that covers the twenty five hundred with a big cushion.
6. She comes back and says the deal was approved and 15 minutes later comes back with the sales form to sign.
NOW HERE COMES THE SHENANIGANS.
7. I read over the contract and it was filled with figures that didn't jive with anything and a bottom line $795 higher (carefully obscured, of course).
Being 795 bucks, I knew it had to be a phony doc fee.
I reread the ad top to bottom with a magnifying glass. NO Doc fee shown anywhere.
8. So I say, WTF did 800 bucks come from? She panics and says "let me bring this to my manager.
9. Manager comes out and said since the vehicle was in inventory at their sister dealership, I had to pay the sister dealer's.... Yep, you guessed it... 795 Doc fee.
10. I said I ain't paying.
11. Gangbang time. A second manager came in and apologized profusely for the mistake and said they would fix "the honest error"
12. New paperwork, more undeciferable gobbly gook and carefully hidden in was a bottom line still 795 bucks too high.
13. FLUCK YOU ALL, I'M OUTTA HERE.
14. Drove straight from the dealer to my friend to his body shop and said "make it look like it came from the showroom" (he did my New Yorker).
15. Three weeks later I have a brand new 2006 F-150 with a show car worthy IMRON© (!!!) paint job.
17. I wash it regularly...

The industry gets sleazier by the day and it started snowballing a 100 years ago and it never stopped. It's almost 2020 FFS and to this day, a better model hasn't replaced it. The mentality is unchangeable as The Rock of Gibraltar.

 

[azblackhemi]

Truck looks great Stan. I love the cattle guard. It must be for pushing snowbirds out of your way.

 

[commando1]

Truck looks great Stan. I love the cattle guard. It must be for pushing snowbirds out of your way.

Nope. Mailboxes. Seriously.

Ever work with IMRON, Chris?

 

[azblackhemi]

Nope. Mailboxes. Seriously.

Ever work with IMRON, Chris?

???

 

[commando1]

???

Imron

 

[azblackhemi]

Yes. We painted our Busses with old school single stage Imron for years. Worked great but is not VOC compliant here anymore.

 

[azblackhemi]

Imron

My question marks were in reference to your mail box comment. I know a little about Imron as I probably sprayed thousands of gallons during my bus career.

 

[commando1]

Yes. We painted our Busses with old school single stage Imron for years. Worked great but is not VOC compliant here anymore.

I don't know how or where Raffie got it but we don't care about no stinkin environment in Fumbuck County.
Every other vehicle down here is a lifted truck rolling coal.

 

[azblackhemi]

I don't know how or where Raffie got it but we don't care about no stinkin environment in Fumbuck County.
Every other vehicle down here is a lifted truck rolling coal.

They did in the late 90's or early 2000's come out with Imron 5000 which was a Basecoat/clearcoat system. It might be more compliant and has probably been made "safer for the environment" AKA not worth a ****.

 

[commando1]

They did in the late 90's or early 2000's came out with Imron 5000 which was a Basecoat/clearcoat system. It might be more compliant and has probably been made "safer for the environment" AKA not worth a ****.

Nope, this was Single Stage. Looks like liquid plastic. It's gotten a dozen unsolicited compliments.

 

[azblackhemi]

Nope, this was Single Stage. Looks like liquid plastic. It's gotten a dozen unsolicited compliments.

Checked on line and people are still selling old style Imron. It must be "new old stock" Dupont is now Axalta and didn't find any Imron under the new name. They do have what they call a Monocoat fleet finish. Must be the modern equivalent.

 

[1978 NYB]

Yesterday, I recieved a phone car from the dealer after my steering wheel was repaired and they said they noticed how well kept my 2018 Special Edition Ram is and they are looking to buy trucks like mine. She said that she can work out a great deal for me to get a brand new 2019 Ram and that they have a huge inventory to choose from.

Why would I want to trade in a 1 year old, very low production, Special Edition Ram and lose $15-$20k?

 

[commando1]

Why would I want to trade in a 1 year old, very low production, Special Edition Ram and lose $15-$20k?

So she can make 150 bucks and doesn't get fired for only pulling draw for 3 consecutive months.

 

[commando1]

My question marks were in reference to your mail box comment. I know a little about Imron as I probably sprayed thousands of gallons during my bus career.

I've hit a few the last several years..
Hence, the moose & deer guard.

 

[1978 NYB]

So she can make 150 bucks and doesn't get fired for only pulling draw for 3 consecutive months.

I wish THIS DEALER would put as much effort in fixing the cars and trucks they already sold!

 

[1978 NYB]

'Badass' baby Jeep in the works for 2022

'Badass' baby Jeep in the works for 2022

 

[azblackhemi]

I've hit a few the last several years..
Hence, the moose & deer guard.

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On purpose?

 

[1978 NYB]

Stan thetruck looks nice!

Mailboxes too!

 

[300rag]

Here's the specifics, Graham.
I took the advertised price in 36 point bold font and ADDED up all the phony **** (in 2 pt. illegible font) I didnt "qualify" for. It even required a Ford financing rebate that I was willing to do and simply do a payoff a month later. I was willing to play that stupid game.
I walked in knowing EVERY trick of the trade.
SEQUENCE OF EVENTS:
1. Greeted
2. Directed into 6x6 cube by product advisor (in conversation with this person, her previous job was school bus driver).
3. Showed her the ad, showed her the checkbook, said to her that she can get her $150 bucks for 5 minutes or work, or, "do you want to make it hard".
150 bucks for 5 minutes of work or 150 bucks for 3 hrs. of torture. Her choice.
4. She says "I'll bring this to my manager" Of course.
5. She comes back and we do the We'll look at your trade-in (the advertised price included "with your $2,500.00 cash or trade." Black book wholesale trade in for my truck was 3 grand in poor condition. Fine that covers the twenty five hundred with a big cushion.
6. She comes back and says the deal was approved and 15 minutes later comes back with the sales form to sign.
NOW HERE COMES THE SHENANIGANS.
7. I read over the contract and it was filled with figures that didn't jive with anything and a bottom line $795 higher (carefully obscured, of course).
Being 795 bucks, I knew it had to be a phony doc fee.
I reread the ad top to bottom with a magnifying glass. NO Doc fee shown anywhere.
8. So I say, WTF did 800 bucks come from? She panics and says "let me bring this to my manager.
9. Manager comes out and said since the vehicle was in inventory at their sister dealership, I had to pay the sister dealer's.... Yep, you guessed it... 795 Doc fee.
10. I said I ain't paying.
11. Gangbang time. A second manager came in and apologized profusely for the mistake and said they would fix "the honest error"
12. New paperwork, more undeciferable gobbly gook and carefully hidden in was a bottom line still 795 bucks too high.
13. FLUCK YOU ALL, I'M OUTTA HERE.
14. Drove straight from the dealer to my friend to his body shop and said "make it look like it came from the showroom" (he did my New Yorker).
15. Three weeks later I have a brand new 2006 F-150 with a show car worthy IMRON© (!!!) paint job.
17. I wash it regularly...

View attachment 337210

The industry gets sleazier by the day and it started snowballing a 100 years ago and it never stopped. It's almost 2020 FFS and to this day, a better model hasn't replaced it. The mentality is unchangeable as The Rock of Gibraltar.

Is it all fixed up from the "incident"?

 

[70bigblockdodge]

Here's the specifics, Graham.
I took the advertised price in 36 point bold font and ADDED up all the phony **** (in 2 pt. illegible font) I didnt "qualify" for. It even required a Ford financing rebate that I was willing to do and simply do a payoff a month later. I was willing to play that stupid game.
I walked in knowing EVERY trick of the trade.
SEQUENCE OF EVENTS:
1. Greeted
2. Directed into 6x6 cube by product advisor (in conversation with this person, her previous job was school bus driver).
3. Showed her the ad, showed her the checkbook, said to her that she can get her $150 bucks for 5 minutes or work, or, "do you want to make it hard".
150 bucks for 5 minutes of work or 150 bucks for 3 hrs. of torture. Her choice.
4. She says "I'll bring this to my manager" Of course.
5. She comes back and we do the We'll look at your trade-in (the advertised price included "with your $2,500.00 cash or trade." Black book wholesale trade in for my truck was 3 grand in poor condition. Fine that covers the twenty five hundred with a big cushion.
6. She comes back and says the deal was approved and 15 minutes later comes back with the sales form to sign.
NOW HERE COMES THE SHENANIGANS.
7. I read over the contract and it was filled with figures that didn't jive with anything and a bottom line $795 higher (carefully obscured, of course).
Being 795 bucks, I knew it had to be a phony doc fee.
I reread the ad top to bottom with a magnifying glass. NO Doc fee shown anywhere.
8. So I say, WTF did 800 bucks come from? She panics and says "let me bring this to my manager.
9. Manager comes out and said since the vehicle was in inventory at their sister dealership, I had to pay the sister dealer's.... Yep, you guessed it... 795 Doc fee.
10. I said I ain't paying.
11. Gangbang time. A second manager came in and apologized profusely for the mistake and said they would fix "the honest error"
12. New paperwork, more undeciferable gobbly gook and carefully hidden in was a bottom line still 795 bucks too high.
13. FLUCK YOU ALL, I'M OUTTA HERE.
14. Drove straight from the dealer to my friend to his body shop and said "make it look like it came from the showroom" (he did my New Yorker).
15. Three weeks later I have a brand new 2006 F-150 with a show car worthy IMRON© (!!!) paint job.
17. I wash it regularly...

View attachment 337210

The industry gets sleazier by the day and it started snowballing a 100 years ago and it never stopped. It's almost 2020 FFS and to this day, a better model hasn't replaced it. The mentality is unchangeable as The Rock of Gibraltar.

Daily drivers suck. Glad I do not have to commute. Between my old cars and my inherited Subie I might drive 4k a year. If I can make it not rot away by having fluid film oozing out everywhere I will never have to buy another car. Buy a totally loaded 3-5 year old SUV for the wife let her run it till it dies then buy another. Also never buy from a brand dealer the attitude is too much to put up with. I'll take a good old fashion sleazy used car dealer, shenanigans I can relate to, and trust.