LocuMob
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That's crappy! The 2008 Avenger R/T 3.5l got 23-25, best I saw was 28, but I could get over 300 out of a tank. For a little car, I thought it used a lot of fuel, so I drove it like a race car.
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Newport 66
Old Man with a Hat
As much as I would like to own a new some thing MoPar, the economics and frankly lack of offerings that would appeal to me, keep me from buying. I like the Challengers and Chargers but market saturation and costs take me out of the game. Same for Ram trucks. If I could find a rust free, decent mileage 1/2 ton truck from the mid to late 90's I'd be very happy. FCA isn't getting my money for the foreseeable future.
Fiat imported cars that were and are garbage. If a car line is going to die it should be the Fiat.
Dave
Dave
Many of the "dead" vehicles are nearing the end of their tooling's lifespan. Time for something new and better, as things go.
The Chevy Impala is tied to a Cadillac model which has been known to be going away for a rew years. Which also meant the Impala was over-priced for a Chevrolet sedan, as the prior SS also was. The Malibu and Impala are too close in size and base price for both to do well.
The main market for the Ford Taurus was the fleet/police market, it seems. In its earlier life, it was not a bad car, just one that was more geared to retirees, with all due respect. Nothing exciting or interesting, from what I saw. This is the same car that started life as the Ford 500. Ford couldn't or didn't know how to market it as a family car, as the prior Galaxie 500s were. Going back to the Taurus name (better name recognition with the younger people who grew up with an earlier Taurus in the family), it was claimed, so sales of the SAME car/different name increased. For a while.
As for Chrysler, the LH/LX/LD plant needs ALL of its product lines to remain profitable. Chryslers haven't been really promoted in many years, but still apparently sell decently well for no promotions. Charger sales are where the recognition is. Check resale values of a 300 and similar Charger. The Charger is higher! Which makes the off-lease Chrysler a more affordable car for many that look for one (which might include ME in a year or so). Everybody keys on Dodge, rather than Chrysler, these days.
More Chryslesr upscale models? Not a good idea. Even as weak as the Cadillac car lines might be, or how competitive a similar Chrysler model might be, it hasn't worked before and would probably not work this time, either. To me, that last Imperial concept was a poor excuse for what it was. It did have some neat heritage styling/design cues, but they just didn't work well together, to me. Didn't help when a few of the LEDs in the tail lights didn't light up when it was at the Dallas new car show!
Most USA brands have exited the small sedan marketplace. It's the domain of the import brands, it seems. So rather than play their game, the domestics went to what they know how to do . . . truck chassis based SUVs, pickup trucks, and larger FWD utility vehicles. Some of which the FCA brands are not really competitive in (as the Journey and some smaller Jeeps), to me.
To me, one reason the domestic small sedans didn't work was their lack of utility functions. The upper body contours don't work too well for utility purposes. But even when those cars did have more utility functions, nobody really noticed. We are in the Time of Home Depot where a pickup truck is needed to buy home improvement items that are 8' long and/or bulky. Or landscaping things that come on pallets. At least that's what I see when I go to Home Depot . . . pickup trucks, fancy ones too.
I suspect the small Ford fwd sedans will return as "city cars" that are hybrids or full electric. Until a larger network of charging stations occurs outside of the major metro areas, full electrics might always be "iffy" as to general use, I suspect. Hybrids will go anywhere, though.
Volvo has already committed to all of their new platforms being hybrid or full electric. Look at the electric Bimmers! Volvo seems to be positioning itself as the "Swedish Buick", in styling and orientation of their base consumer demographics, it seems. And that brand could also siphon sales from the Chrysler brand, too! A full line of sizes, too. Sedans, SUVs, and one SLEEK coupe! Not the same Volvo that brought us the 164 wagon!
Current Chryslers might be "dated", but they are still dang nice cars. A shame they don't get the respect or sales exposure the "Burnout King" Dodges tend to. AND do it at a reasonable price well south of the $100K Cadillacs and Lincolns.
The last two Charger R/Ts I rented for weekend trips averaged 30mpg on the highway at 70mph cruise. Generally flat ground Interstates. The 3.6L V-6 is a bit better. If the aero numbers on the 300 are similar to the Charger, it should do similar, but I also suspect the lower EPA highway "estimate" can scare some potential buyers off.
SO, let's root for the Chrysler 300s as the Dodge Bros get to have all of that fun making tire smoke.
CBODY67
The Chevy Impala is tied to a Cadillac model which has been known to be going away for a rew years. Which also meant the Impala was over-priced for a Chevrolet sedan, as the prior SS also was. The Malibu and Impala are too close in size and base price for both to do well.
The main market for the Ford Taurus was the fleet/police market, it seems. In its earlier life, it was not a bad car, just one that was more geared to retirees, with all due respect. Nothing exciting or interesting, from what I saw. This is the same car that started life as the Ford 500. Ford couldn't or didn't know how to market it as a family car, as the prior Galaxie 500s were. Going back to the Taurus name (better name recognition with the younger people who grew up with an earlier Taurus in the family), it was claimed, so sales of the SAME car/different name increased. For a while.
As for Chrysler, the LH/LX/LD plant needs ALL of its product lines to remain profitable. Chryslers haven't been really promoted in many years, but still apparently sell decently well for no promotions. Charger sales are where the recognition is. Check resale values of a 300 and similar Charger. The Charger is higher! Which makes the off-lease Chrysler a more affordable car for many that look for one (which might include ME in a year or so). Everybody keys on Dodge, rather than Chrysler, these days.
More Chryslesr upscale models? Not a good idea. Even as weak as the Cadillac car lines might be, or how competitive a similar Chrysler model might be, it hasn't worked before and would probably not work this time, either. To me, that last Imperial concept was a poor excuse for what it was. It did have some neat heritage styling/design cues, but they just didn't work well together, to me. Didn't help when a few of the LEDs in the tail lights didn't light up when it was at the Dallas new car show!
Most USA brands have exited the small sedan marketplace. It's the domain of the import brands, it seems. So rather than play their game, the domestics went to what they know how to do . . . truck chassis based SUVs, pickup trucks, and larger FWD utility vehicles. Some of which the FCA brands are not really competitive in (as the Journey and some smaller Jeeps), to me.
To me, one reason the domestic small sedans didn't work was their lack of utility functions. The upper body contours don't work too well for utility purposes. But even when those cars did have more utility functions, nobody really noticed. We are in the Time of Home Depot where a pickup truck is needed to buy home improvement items that are 8' long and/or bulky. Or landscaping things that come on pallets. At least that's what I see when I go to Home Depot . . . pickup trucks, fancy ones too.
I suspect the small Ford fwd sedans will return as "city cars" that are hybrids or full electric. Until a larger network of charging stations occurs outside of the major metro areas, full electrics might always be "iffy" as to general use, I suspect. Hybrids will go anywhere, though.
Volvo has already committed to all of their new platforms being hybrid or full electric. Look at the electric Bimmers! Volvo seems to be positioning itself as the "Swedish Buick", in styling and orientation of their base consumer demographics, it seems. And that brand could also siphon sales from the Chrysler brand, too! A full line of sizes, too. Sedans, SUVs, and one SLEEK coupe! Not the same Volvo that brought us the 164 wagon!
Current Chryslers might be "dated", but they are still dang nice cars. A shame they don't get the respect or sales exposure the "Burnout King" Dodges tend to. AND do it at a reasonable price well south of the $100K Cadillacs and Lincolns.
The last two Charger R/Ts I rented for weekend trips averaged 30mpg on the highway at 70mph cruise. Generally flat ground Interstates. The 3.6L V-6 is a bit better. If the aero numbers on the 300 are similar to the Charger, it should do similar, but I also suspect the lower EPA highway "estimate" can scare some potential buyers off.
SO, let's root for the Chrysler 300s as the Dodge Bros get to have all of that fun making tire smoke.
CBODY67
rapidtrans
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(Photo taken at my usual Carlisle parking spot)
With no need for a truck or even a 4dr anymore I went this route. (Since I’m no longer eligible for Dad’s FCA retiree discount and Chrysler Financial really pissed me off on last two leases)
All wheel drive twin turbo coupe’s as fast as my last Hemi. I thought that last Charger R/T was a good handling car albeit harsh riding. After a year I’m still impressed how much better this thing rides and handles.
Better mpg around town the same 30 mpg hwy and handles our Michigan Winter Water Wonderland year around. And a blast to drive!
With no need for a truck or even a 4dr anymore I went this route. (Since I’m no longer eligible for Dad’s FCA retiree discount and Chrysler Financial really pissed me off on last two leases)
All wheel drive twin turbo coupe’s as fast as my last Hemi. I thought that last Charger R/T was a good handling car albeit harsh riding. After a year I’m still impressed how much better this thing rides and handles.
Better mpg around town the same 30 mpg hwy and handles our Michigan Winter Water Wonderland year around. And a blast to drive!
Fratzog
Old Man with a Hat
A beautiful car as long as you are not having it serviced at the dealer. A friend who only drove BMWs for 2 decades finally threw in the towel after being soaked by the dealership on service for too long. He now drives an Expedition and claims to be happy as a clam.
mdh157
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I love these but who can afford it (other than you!)? And still avail in a stick shift.
rapidtrans
Senior Member
Two year old just off lease was slightly more than the buy out on my three year old Charger.
I only lease new. I buy certified just-off-lease. This had less miles and didn’t set me back much more than the buy-out.
I just don’t do boring cars.
I only lease new. I buy certified just-off-lease. This had less miles and didn’t set me back much more than the buy-out.
I just don’t do boring cars.
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You consider visiting the largest swap meet in Europe at Mannheim, Germany next week ?
I could get a Hand on a few free tickets btw., but don't expect to find a plethora of Mopar parts.
You don't own a work vehicle then.
I do about 30,000 / year in my most boring, efficient, and reliable car, a Honda Civic.
rapidtrans
Senior Member
You don't own a work vehicle then.
Yikes!
I’d be looking for a new job.
78Brougham
"Chump"
When I was drilling, I put about 50k a year on my Dodge pickups. Never had any major issues. Brakes, oil changes, an occasional tie rod end.
Fratzog
Old Man with a Hat
Thanks for the heads up. It looks good but at 5 hours away if I went my wife would likely not come back to Canada with me. She would be stuck visiting all the relatives. I know what's my point
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barnfind
Old Man with a Hat
Choices are French and...
Wow!
Fratzog
Old Man with a Hat
Thanks. Who knew Samsung made cars? I hope their cars are better than their microwaves.
barnfind
Old Man with a Hat
Geely and china are the ones I have my eyes on with the London taxi company, now LEVC.
78Brougham
"Chump"
Geely also bought Lotus last year that pinwheel needs updated.
barnfind
Old Man with a Hat
Feel free to update.
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