360 -85 in -68 NY

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Will a 360 from a Dodge B350 van fit engine mounts in my -68 NY??
My 440 seized and want's the car rollig during renovation of my 440 and can get the 360 cheap. I'm told the 360 is coupled to a 727
 
You WILL need a new 904 transmission, as the 727 TorqueFlite is made for a Big Block application (383, 400, 426, 440) and the trans will not mate to the rear of the 360. The 904 is for small block applications. Other than that, even though the NYer was never made with a small block intended, AFAIK the engine should fit in the mounts but someone else will need to chime in
 
No. This setup won't work without fabrication.

And not to be a jerk, but if you don't know the interchanges, you probably don't have the fab skills. Spend the $ on fixing the engine.
 
Will a 360 from a Dodge B350 van fit engine mounts in my -68 NY??
My 440 seized and want's the car rollig during renovation of my 440 and can get the 360 cheap. I'm told the 360 is coupled to a 727

They did make a small block 727 available for some of the Dodge trucks. Bad news is that the transmission does fit anything other than a small block. 440 727 has a different bell housing and will not bolt up. If you could get the engine and transmission from the truck, you might get that to work if the truck is a 2wd unit. Note that the trucks usually have a different tail shaft so the drive line from you car most likely won't work without modification. Chryslers were not offered with small block engines in '67 so the mounts will have to be custom units. Might be better to find a junker 383 to get the car moving and rebuild the 440 when it is convenient.

Dave
 
Before getting another questionable engine, I'd want to know more about why the original engine is seized. If it's a matter of machine work, that's probably easier to find in Sweden then an entirely new (used) drivetrain... Which BTW, will require also a new driveshaft, wiring, potentially custom-rigged radiator hoses, linkages and probably something I've forgotten.
 
There is a small block 727 TF, however, its quite rare as it was largely for the 340 powered cars, T/A Challenger, Demon, etc.
I friend has a T/A over here with one in, all orig d/train inc 6-pak
 
There is a small block 727 TF, however, its quite rare as it was largely for the 340 powered cars, T/A Challenger, Demon, etc.
I friend has a T/A over here with one in, all orig d/train inc 6-pak

They aren't that uncommon at all...At least not here. Most heavier cars with small blocks used them, any small black performance application, as well as trucks. For many years. Actually by 1985, the trans would be an A-999.

A999 (32RH)
The A999 (later renamed 32RH) was a heavier-duty, wide-ratio version of the small-frame A904 transmission for use with medium-power V8 engines and the 3.9 L V6 engine. It was equipped with five direct friction plates. These automatics had lower first and second gear ratios to allow the lower-powered engines to provide better acceleration without sacrificing highway fuel economy.

Uses:

  • 1984-1989 Chrysler M platform vehicles with AHB 318 4bbl police option (Dodge Diplomat, Plymouth Gran Fury)
  • 1994-2003 Dodge Ram Van B150 with Magnum 3.9L V6 engine
  • 1994-2003 Dodge Dakota with Magnum 3.9L V6 engine
  • 1987-1995 Jeep Wrangler YJ with 6-cylinder engine.
  • 1997-2002 Jeep Wrangler TJ with 6-cylinder engine.
  • Jeep Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer with the 258ci (4.2L) straight-6
 
Will a 360 from a Dodge B350 van fit engine mounts in my -68 NY??
My 440 seized and want's the car rollig during renovation of my 440 and can get the 360 cheap. I'm told the 360 is coupled to a 727
No and yes. Too much headache for a temporary situation.
 
You WILL need a new 904 transmission, as the 727 TorqueFlite is made for a Big Block application (383, 400, 426, 440) and the trans will not mate to the rear of the 360. The 904 is for small block applications. Other than that, even though the NYer was never made with a small block intended, AFAIK the engine should fit in the mounts but someone else will need to chime in
You are incorrect sir. The 727 transmission comes in two different cases. The 727 "A" mounts to the 318, 340, 360 (LA) engines. The 727 "B" mounts behind the 361, 383, 400, 413, 426, and 440 engines.
 
Shumacher Services lists some adapter motor mounts to put a LA where a B/RB was, I believe. But the feedback I've heard about them is that it's not a complete slam-dunk bolt-in situation.

There were 727s that went behind A and LA motors. Usually in HD applications rather than normal passenger cars. I suspect truck/van chassis, too. The LA and B/RB bolt patterns do differ, as might the trans flex plate/crankshaft/torque converter interfaces. There's a reason for these things! Each trans (and variation thereof) is built to a particular engine torque output, so they might be of the same family, but not the same internally. Plus the 360 is an external balance motor, which further complicates things, too.

The 998/999 trans is the most HD version of the 904 family, BUT only the six-cylinder versions have the 2.75 low gear, the V-8s had the normal 2.45 ratio. The lower-low gear planetary AND will completely interchange with the 2.45 ratio. That's how my '80 Newport 360 was done by a local trans shop. On that car, put thing back to the old 2.45/2.76 orientation of old, but with the lower gear in the trans rather than the rear axle ratio. Makes it feel a bit better.

BUT the end result is that you're only considering putting the engine IN, not what it'll take to make it work in the '68 platform! And THAT can be both expensive and time-consuming, at least as much as getting the engine in there, to start with.

Recommendation -- get the engine fixed and detail the underhood area while it's out. Do the rest later. Less headache and THEN you can do the other stuff incrementally while still enjoying the car.

Just some thoughts,
CBODY67
 
Too much work and money for a temporary drivetrain IMHO.
Cheaper to buy a good pair of walking shoes, E-bike or a scooter and spend the money on the 440.
I am also curious why the motor siezed up.
 
You would probably need another drive-line as well.

If you don't want to rebuild your 440, I would advise finding another one, or a 383. Then all you're doing is swapping motors.

By the way, while New Yorkers always had the largest motors from Chrysler (until the mid-'70s), Plymouth and Dodge C Bodies were often found with small blocks, and even /6 motors. If you're going to go small block (which I would not recommend), look for parts from one of those, not something from an '80s van.
 
Because you're in Sweden, parts maybe a little (a lot?) harder to come by but anybody telling you it's a big deal to put a small block in a Chrysler seems to have forgotten they made hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Polaras and Furys with 318's and 360's.

The only thing I can think of that might make this even remotely tricky is the engine bracket for the motor mount. Small block is different than big block and 360 is different than 318.

68 used a biscuit mount for both big and small blocks so all you need is the correct engine brackets to bolt the 360 in with the existing mounts. I've no idea if a van uses different engine brackets or not. If not, the 360 and 727, assuming it's the long tail shaft with slip yoke like the one behind your 440 now, will bolt right in and use the car drive shaft.

The radiator might be another issue because the lower outlet is probably on the wrong side. Exhaust will be another.

All that being said it does beg the question whether it's worth the effort vs just getting the 440 done.

Why did the 440 seize? I'd be doing a post morten on that before I did anything.

Kevin
 
Actually broken into 3 pieces and I can see 2 camshaft bearings aren't ok. Haven't taken out the engine to see if it's more damage yet.
A 440 in unknown condition is above $2200 here and found a fully functional B350 van for $1100 that's why my question. My 440 will be fully renovated, but wanted the NY to be driveable during it's process!
Photo says: My 440 is tired

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