'65 Monaco - 426 4-Speed.

Are there any close-up pics of the radiator? Master Parts catalog indicates that a 426 - 4 speed Monaco should have a 2524 986 radiator (or possibly 2524 989, if high altitude). If I saw one of these, I'd be more comfortable thinking it was factory. If I saw 982 or 984 (or a B- body code), I'd be leaning towards it being swapped at some point.
 
Also, does anybody know the owner? From his early FB post, I believe he indicated that he was "very green when it comes to Mopars". Maybe if someone knows him, they can reach out to him? Perhaps he is unaware that there may be some important documentation lurking under his rear seat . . .
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Was there ever a pic of the fender tag from the car that was for sale posted on here?
What's your opinion @moparnutcase?
 
Tip for seller: Remove jumpbox from front seat when you take pictures of your overpriced car that you are to cheap to buy a battery for!

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Those are B-body manifolds, they are correct for all big blocks in '65- 361, 383, 426W, not really that rare. The C-body uses different manifolds, those shown are correct.

Didn’t say they were rare, put a set on my 65 300 back when. What I’m says I’ve seen these on Cbody 426 cars. Looked at a 65 C body last year at auction. Original owned with a 426 Wedge, 4 speed Convertable. Original based on the documents with the car.
 
On what engines did they put the dual point distributors on...….?
I have owned a orig 64 426 str-wedge polara 500 in the past with the dp distributor….
Were they also used at the 383 and 413 ?
 
the street wedges had a specific 2 1/4” manifold that exited at the back of the motor.

Parts book shows same manifolds for 383 and 426, so even if some cars came with the other style, it looks like you can't completely rule out 426 based on manifolds alone.


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Jeff
 
You are saying this because?...


And you can say that because?...

I'm just trying to summarize the facts.

As stated previously, an 80 under ab designates the 426W. 99 designates the standard V8 (383 for a Monaco). The data plate would have to be in error for this to have come with a 426W, highly unlikely but errors have been known to happen.

Nobody knows for sure what that motor is based on one low resolution pic. It appears to have the pad on the front of the block which would indicate an RB (raised block) but I can't even tell that conclusively based on the pic. IMO it really doesn't matter what block it is (413, 426W, 440) or even if it's a standard B (361, 383, 400). The trim on it is correct for a 426W, namely air cleaner, valve covers, plug wire looms, etc.

The 426W is rare in a C-body and not so much in a B-body. I've seen a fair share of both but fakes are quite common. The 426W is no wonder engine, it's quite pedestrian among RB's. In factory form it really isn't a very big upgrade from a 383 of the same year, it uses the same 516 closed chamber heads which need work to flow well, it also has a very mild cam. The factory log manifolds were also smaller than the later HP ones, 2-1/4 vs. 2-1/2 inch outlets.
 
Didn’t say they were rare, put a set on my 65 300 back when. What I’m says I’ve seen these on Cbody 426 cars. Looked at a 65 C body last year at auction. Original owned with a 426 Wedge, 4 speed Convertable. Original based on the documents with the car.

The posted parts numbers for left & right manifolds are different for B and C's based on the parts book excerpts shown. Suppose it's possible that they made an error in the original book but highly unlikely. I've seen quite a few '65 C's with big blocks & they all came with the manifolds shown in that Monaco.
 
On what engines did they put the dual point distributors on...….?
I have owned a orig 64 426 str-wedge polara 500 in the past with the dp distributor….
Were they also used at the 383 and 413 ?
Believe they used the Prestolite dual point in all HP motors of the 64-65 years. Other years it was not cast in stone, sometimes they put single points in automatics and in different body styles when they had HP motors. Believe all standard motors had single points. The only way to conclusively find out what a particular car should have come with is to verify via parts book (unless there's a typo in the book!).:lol:
 
Still a gorgeous car. So the engine has been swapped out for a 426W. O.K.
IMO the 4 spd makes it attractive more than the motor. Hell, i’d dress it out as a 383 and not tell anyone but the future purchaser someday.
 
Still a gorgeous car. So the engine has been swapped out for a 426W. O.K.
IMO the 4 spd makes it attractive more than the motor. Hell, i’d dress it out as a 383 and not tell anyone but the future purchaser someday.

I'm still not convinced it's not original
 
The posted parts numbers for left & right manifolds are different for B and C's based on the parts book excerpts shown. Suppose it's possible that they made an error in the original book but highly unlikely. I've seen quite a few '65 C's with big blocks & they all came with the manifolds shown in that Monaco.

I’ll have to look at my White book to see what you are talking about.
 
I’ll have to look at my White book to see what you are talking about.

To make it clear, from the 1965 parts book, exhaust manifold part #'s:
For Belvedere & Coronet 2205905 (R) & 2203091 (L) for 361, 383 & 426W
For full size Plymouth, Dodge, Chrysler 1854990 (R) & 2463106 (L) for 383 & 426W
Don't know what the wildcard 1739600 left side C-body 413 is. They forgot to list Imperial!

These are P/N's, not casting #'s. Based on the P/N's they were likely used on earlier models as well. I would trust the factory parts book way more than one of Galen's books.

The engine in the early B-body is quite a bit forward from the firewall compared to later B-bodies and all C-bodies. Perhaps that's why they made a different manifold that exited to the rear for these. If you put these in a C-body I'd bet the clearance (firewall) would be very close.
 
I'm still not convinced it's not original

As stated previously, an 80 under ab designates the 426W. 99 designates the standard V8 (383 for a Monaco). The data plate would have to be in error for this to have come with a 426W, highly unlikely but errors have been known to happen.

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I won't necessarily render an opinion, just stating what I see. As for the engine being a 426W, that could very well be. Only way to know is to see the pad. I will post a pic of mine. Mine is an HP motor, not all 426W's were, I saw one at Carlisle maybe 6-7 years ago without the HP stamping. Now, as for it being original to the car, per the data plate....no. My data plate matches up with the build tag from Chrysler....mine is indeed the real deal. Somebody mentioned the shifter, check mine out, very rare. Short of what has already been discussed, and short of a bona fide paper trail I would say that it is not a factory 426W car. Unless that data tag can somehow be authenticated to state "99" equals 426W then I would always have my doubts about it. When this car first surfaced I thought cool, another like mine. I know there are some on this board who say there are others out there.....SHOW me, and most importantly SHOW me CONCRETE proof. I CAN! Once again, my car may, and I say may, be the only one out there.....and don't forget, it is for sale,lol!
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