'65 Monaco - 426 4-Speed.

I won't necessarily render an opinion, just stating what I see. As for the engine being a 426W, that could very well be. Only way to know is to see the pad. I will post a pic of mine. Mine is an HP motor, not all 426W's were, I saw one at Carlisle maybe 6-7 years ago without the HP stamping. Now, as for it being original to the car, per the data plate....no. My data plate matches up with the build tag from Chrysler....mine is indeed the real deal. Somebody mentioned the shifter, check mine out, very rare. Short of what has already been discussed, and short of a bona fide paper trail I would say that it is not a factory 426W car. Unless that data tag can somehow be authenticated to state "99" equals 426W then I would always have my doubts about it. When this car first surfaced I thought cool, another like mine. I know there are some on this board who say there are others out there.....SHOW me, and most importantly SHOW me CONCRETE proof. I CAN! Once again, my car may, and I say may, be the only one out there.....and don't forget, it is for sale,lol!View attachment 365009

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What exactly does the 'SO' on the fender tag stand for?, is it Special Order?
 
What exactly does the 'SO' on the fender tag stand for?, is it Special Order?

Shipping Order

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What exactly does the 'SO' on the fender tag stand for?, is it Special Order?

"SO NUMBER" The Shipping Order or Sequence Order Number is the estimated day and order the car was scheduled to come down the assembly line. It consists of a three character number followed by a six digit number. The first three will be a letter/number combination or all three will be numbers. This will give the approximate build date of the car.

If there is a number for the first digit, then that is the month, 1 = January, 2 = February, etc.....If it’s a letter for the first digit, then letters are for the last months of the year. A = October, B = November, C = December.

So A11 would be October 11th, and 502 would be May 2nd. The other 5 mean nothing as far as the car is concerned, it’s only a random number and doesn’t decode anything.

504 = May 4, 1965

914 = Sept 14 1964 (early build date for a '65)
 
"SO NUMBER" The Shipping Order or Sequence Order Number is the estimated day and order the car was scheduled to come down the assembly line. It consists of a three character number followed by a six digit number. The first three will be a letter/number combination or all three will be numbers. This will give the approximate build date of the car.

If there is a number for the first digit, then that is the month, 1 = January, 2 = February, etc.....If it’s a letter for the first digit, then letters are for the last months of the year. A = October, B = November, C = December.

So A11 would be October 11th, and 502 would be May 2nd. The other 5 mean nothing as far as the car is concerned, it’s only a random number and doesn’t decode anything.

504 = May 4, 1965

914 = Sept 14 1964 (early build date for a '65)
Thanks for clearing that up. :thankyou:
 
To make it clear, from the 1965 parts book, exhaust manifold part #'s:
For Belvedere & Coronet 2205905 (R) & 2203091 (L) for 361, 383 & 426W
For full size Plymouth, Dodge, Chrysler 1854990 (R) & 2463106 (L) for 383 & 426W
Don't know what the wildcard 1739600 left side C-body 413 is. They forgot to list Imperial!


These are P/N's, not casting #'s. Based on the P/N's they were likely used on earlier models as well. I would trust the factory parts book way more than one of Galen's books. We

The engine in the early B-body is quite a bit forward from the firewall compared to later B-bodies and all C-bodies. Perhaps that's why they made a different manifold that exited to the rear for these. If you put these in a C-body I'd bet the clearance (firewall) would be very close.

I put a pair of the wedge manifolds on my 65 300. Didn’t have any problems with fitment.
 
"SO NUMBER" The Shipping Order or Sequence Order Number is the estimated day and order the car was scheduled to come down the assembly line. It consists of a three character number followed by a six digit number. The first three will be a letter/number combination or all three will be numbers. This will give the approximate build date of the car.

If there is a number for the first digit, then that is the month, 1 = January, 2 = February, etc.....If it’s a letter for the first digit, then letters are for the last months of the year. A = October, B = November, C = December.

So A11 would be October 11th, and 502 would be May 2nd. The other 5 mean nothing as far as the car is concerned, it’s only a random number and doesn’t decode anything.

504 = May 4, 1965

914 = Sept 14 1964 (early build date for a '65)

The SO number, later Vehicle Order Number VON, is a unique identifying number assigned to a vehicle before the VIN is assigned. It is the primary number used to order a car and for corporate to invoice the dealer and tracking the build. It's found on the Broadcast sheet, IBM card when applicable, shipping invoices, car invoice, window sticker and probably a couple of other places. There are many nuances and differences per year but generally for the years 1961-1979:

The whole SO number contains the scheduled production date (SPD) and a four to six digit identifying number.

The date format varies by year.

64 and earlier use a four digit date code where the month is also a number. So an SPD of 1115 indicating November 15th exists.
65 is the first year to use letters for Oct, Nov, Dec.

One way to help identify the model year of tags:

64 and earlier use a four digit date and a four digit vehicle identifier
65, 66 and 67 use a three digit date code and five digits. Model year 1968 is the first year to use a six character identifying number.

Pre 68...the cheapest lines have the lowest first digits escalating in price class to the Imperial. e.g. Valiants and Barracudas SO numbers start with 00, while the Imperial line will start with, say, 14. The B and C bodys will fall in between like 04, 06, 08. This applies to ordinary cars. Fleet, lease, special order et al cars have also have specialty first numbers......
 
I'm still not convinced it's not original
The owner isn't sure either.
His own words: I am not sure if the motor was factory or dealer installed but I know the motor has not been swapped since the car was new.
 
The owner isn't sure either.
His own words: I am not sure if the motor was factory or dealer installed but I know the motor has not been swapped since the car was new.

That is why I stated without concrete proof(dealer paperwork,etc.)there will always be lingering doubt. Not so with my car. STILL waiting to see another surface with 100% pedigree.......
 
That is why I stated without concrete proof(dealer paperwork,etc.)there will always be lingering doubt. Not so with my car. STILL waiting to see another surface with 100% pedigree.......
When posed with a few questions, the owner quickly backed off from his original claim. As someone stated, he is a bit green and still learning (not the only one :rolleyes:). Hopefully he will find the broadcast sheet and share that information.
There were a few objections regarding your asking price, but I think, given that it is such a rare car, its value and recognition should be up there with other very desirable Mopars.
 
I was once forced to inform a gentleman that asked me to inspect the 426 4 spd Fury convertible that he just bought off of ebay that there was no Stamp Pad on the block.
He did not understand.
 
I was once forced to inform a gentleman that asked me to inspect the 426 4 spd Fury convertible that he just bought off of ebay that there was no Stamp Pad on the block.
He did not understand.
You guys have so much knowledge on these vehicles! I am truly humbled. Someone should write a book compiling all of your knowledge and stories!
 
We’ve all heard the story of plant managers or other execs ordering a low option car then walking it down the line have loads of options added as it is built.
Boy would that blow the mind of fender tag and build sheet gurus these days.
I know dad got the plant manager at Belvidere to walk my uncles 74 Monaco wagon through assembly. In this case they just made sure is was not a Monday car and had someone oversee the various inspection points.
 
The owner isn't sure either.
His own words: I am not sure if the motor was factory or dealer installed but I know the motor has not been swapped since the car was new.

This could be easily proven if someone was motivated to do so.....
 
That is why I stated without concrete proof(dealer paperwork,etc.)there will always be lingering doubt. Not so with my car. STILL waiting to see another surface with 100% pedigree.......

There's no doubt. It's up to the owner to produce documents to show the tag is wrong. "To the best of my knowledge" or 'AS far as I remember' are not documents nor proof.

As far as I remember, I had a great evening with the Hooper Triplets back in the summer of '75. Doesn't mean it actually happened.

You have proof.
 
That dash was my favorite part about my ol battleship.

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383 automatic

The red paint was so oxidized that I primed it black but never got around to painting it (except for the Halloween treatment in the pic) Lol!!!
 
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