big brother is watching what you buy
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krazykuda
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If you shoot a mime, do you have to use a silencer???
If that guy has any extra "filters", he should make a muffler for A0C, that woman never stops yakking about nothing.
Dave
I've read similar stories about other imported "filter" purchases on amazon. You buy, and the AFT sends a letter claiming they have intercepted your non-registered suppressor. You get a letter, someone keeps the money.
I bought some lawnmower gas filters.
no atf issues so far
no atf issues so far
owen martin
Member
Interesting story and it sure opens the eyes to our intelligence security out there! Wow .... this may prevent some terrorists from doing bad deeds in the future I guess ? Or is big brother really get carried away here?
MoPar Maniac
Well-Known Member
They have better things to worry about than "silencers".
How about the clowns in Seattle passing out weapons?
How about the clowns in Seattle passing out weapons?
300rag
It's Not Going to Shift Itself
This is not new. A few years ago, when returning home from the US, I was asked point blank "what camera equipment did I but on my trip?". No questions about anything else, just that. The only way for them to know was the credit card transaction. It was within my exemption, but sure gives a funny feeling.
78Brougham
"Chump"
The Goose
Senior Member
You can buy a silencer at ANY gun store all you need is a tax stamp like for buying a full auto. They don’t last very long if you shoot them a bunch. It’s kinda cool but unless your a hitman or a navy seal I don’t get the appeal.
Stern70
Active Member
Haven't you ever wanted to sight in a gun at 2am before? Lol!!
My personal favorite is the idiots that put out the tax stamp and purchase price for a silencer for an AR series firearm. The AR is blow back gas operated and the noise coming out of the side cover is almost as great as that which comes out of the muzzle. Total waste of money unless a suppressed gas piston assembly is also installed. US special ops tried for years to get such a system to work and it never did. If the gas piston gets stuck in the field, it is not user serviceable and the firearm is a useless club and non-functional.
Dave
That's an easy answer. It is a muffler. Just like on a car/truck, loud at first can be exciting, but after a while it becomes annoying. So knocking 30-40 db off of a 160 db blast is nice for all involved.
But the Federal Gov says that one has to have special permissions to put a muffler on a gun, but then also mandates that a motor vehicle has to have a muffler due to noise pollution.
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Not to get into a pissing contest, but there are too many people who have no idea about the actual process to just broadly over simplify it like that. Not every gun shop is licensed to sell/transfer NFA items, which a gun muffler is classified as. I can think of 2 local shops that can't touch NFA items.
Then there is the process of getting the stamp. Finger prints, background check(s), $200 fee, then wait 6+ months (I've recently been told a year) to get a stamp.
Dealer also has to have a Class 3 license. Background check is the same process as applying for a full auto firearm. Many states ban full auto and silencers, so you can not get those items in those states. If you live someplace where it is still legal, then you would have to put up with the process of having the ATF showing up unannounced to verify that you still have the silencer in your possession as NFA items can not be sold or otherwise transferred without a new tax stamp.
Dave
The Goose
Senior Member
Have you ever bought one? I was there when we all got our conceal carry permits in Mesa Az. At a normal run of the mill gun store. My 3 buddies then purchased 3 22 autos w silencers. We walked up and walked out same day. That’s why we got the carry permit. No waiting period w the card. Cash n carry same day. Family friend owns J&G sales in Az. They’re usually the back page of the shotgun news. We did it. You can too. They’re not that cool. They wear out with every trigger pull. Any REAL gun store can sell them. Period.
My intention here and above is to point out the nuisances and laws associated with buying these types of things, which is not as simple as you make it sound, simply because too many people have no idea but will read stuff like this online.
Again, there are different license types, I think 9 to be exact. About half of those are for dealers buying/selling to the public, and only 1 or 2 of those license types allow NFA items dealing. So just because brick-and-mortar gun store A looks identical to gun store B, doesn't mean that both can deal in NFA items (suppressors, automatic weapons, etc.), and possible neither has the legal ability to do so. I know of at least 2 here that can't touch NFA as they deal in C&R only.
Also, are you saying that a carry permit allowed them to purchase automatic weapons with cans? Because that's illegal everywhere in this country. Each NFA item requires an individual stamp to transfer.
Otherwise I assume you're saying that your friends went to a specific store, to buy a specific NFA controlled item (suppressor), that requires a specific permit (tax stamp) which they had previously acquired. They then also bought some semi-automatic 22 rifles, which generally requires no special permit, or bought some semi-auto 22 pistols which the CC would suffice in lieu of a pistol permit, which requirements can vary by state, unlike with NFA stuff.
Just pointing out the nuisances associated with buying these types of things so people casually reading this know that you cannot just drop by the store down the street and buy NFA regulated guns and accessories like full-auto anything, suppressors, SBR, SBS, etc. Too many people think you can do just that and vote for gun control for that reason.
The Goose
Senior Member
Ok. I’m just saying we bought them. No drama. Same day pick up with ccw. Local laws may vary but the full auto law and silencer laws are Federal not state. If you go to a legit shop you can buy anything w a Federal permit. Sometimes the local sheriff needs to sign off. Ours was not the case. Just two cents from someone who did it. Take it for whatever it’s worth.
The Goose
Senior Member
Sorry about the cornfusion. No I meant with a ccw there is no waiting period between purchase and pick up. That’s why we got them. In Az you can open carry loaded so no real need for a ccw except to avoid the background bs at gunshows and the waiting period to pick up a purchase. Ruger was selling those 22 pistols as a set w the silencer. I like the mark II better than the baby 1911 looking 22 so I passed. I went with waited while we did the paperwork and then we went and shot them. No fuss no muss. All it took was money. A waste of money in my opinion. Clack clack clack ain’t silent LoL!!!
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