1970 Sport Fury - Roof Lines - LOL - PH23 Vs PH29

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I know I know - everyone hates this subject! But all the old threads I searched are mostly "words". I'm a visual kinda-guy. Is this right? What about coupe and sedan? Did that play a factor in 1970 Sport Fury's?? Thank you for the help!
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Check out this picture I labeled. Do I have it right/correct?
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What about coupe and sedan? Did that play a factor in 1970 Sport Fury's?? Thank you for the help!

There were no two door sedan Sport Fury's in 1970 or '71. In 1970 the Gran Coupe, which used the 2dr sedan body, was strangely grouped with the Fury II production, even though is shared more with the Sport Fury than it did with a Fury II. There actually was a four door sedan Sport Fury in '70 and '71, which is crazy, and it wasn't a big seller.

The PH29 was designated as a "fastback" roof, not the "fast top" name used in '67 and '68. I think the sales literature may have referred to the 29 roof as a formal roof as early as 1970, where the parts book and official ordering books called it a fastback. It's possible that the formal designation showed up later, but I don't feel like digging out my 1970 sales brochure to look it up.

PH23 was officially called a 2 door hardtop coupe, like you have on your photo.

The 29 body was basically a coupe with the four door hardtop roof slapped on top. It generally looks good from the rear, but oddly proportioned from the side or front 3/4 view.

Jeff
 
Fun fact, the nowadays not much appreciated PH29 roof was 20 bucks more than the PH23

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PH23 was called sportsroof" in some literature I found.
Also some companies call the PH29 "formal" roofline when looking up headliners and vinyl tops.
My experience when we worked on Frankie..
Not 70 but rooflines from 69 were carried into the 70 model year...
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PH29 was always called “Formal Roof” as far as I can remember. In ‘69 dad had one of each on 2dr Fury IIIs. I have no preference between the two. The color choice decides which one looks best imo. Our formal top looked classy in triple green while the sport top was great in bright red with black top & interior.
 
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You forgot ph29 (correct) ph23(wrong)
He has them marked correctly. Black lettering at top left corner for PH29.
I owned a PH29. This is PH29 Formal roof
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Trunk pan, rear window, rear frame left side rotted out. Stub frame and A-pillar problems too. Parts car.
1970 Sport Fury Production
PH23 8018 units 2 door hard top coupe
PH29 5688 units 2 door formal top roof. PH29 is called Formal Top in my 1970 sales brochure.
 
67 & 68 Furys offered 2 roof styles, the 23 2-door hardtop and the 29 2-door fast top. Chrysler made things confusing with the 69 - 71 Furys with the 23 body style as used on GT's being a 2 door hardtop (outie rear window) and now the 29 body style became the formal roof 2 door (innie rear window). The parts book page above says it all. Many aftermarket parts manufacturers never picked up on the change in the 29 roof and continued to use fast top for the 29 formal roof cars resulting in a lot of incorrect parts being ordered over the years.
 
67 & 68 Furys offered 2 roof styles, the 23 2-door hardtop and the 29 2-door fast top. Chrysler made things confusing with the 69 - 71 Furys with the 23 body style as used on GT's being a 2 door hardtop (outie rear window) and now the 29 body style became the formal roof 2 door (innie rear window). The parts book page above says it all. Many aftermarket parts manufacturers never picked up on the change in the 29 roof and continued to use fast top for the 29 formal roof cars resulting in a lot of incorrect parts being ordered over the years.
Here's a pic of what he's explaining for the 67-68 Slab Fury. Dodge and Chrysler were only offered as Fast tops and Imperial Crown Coupes had their own roofline.

By the way, the 67-68 Fury non-Fast top roof is the same as the 66 300.
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In looking in the "Information" pages of the 1967 Chrysler parts book, where the VIN is decoded, there are two 2-dr hardtop model numbers listed. "23" and "29". "23" is listed as "Two Door Hardtop" and "29" is listed as "2-Door Sports Hard Top".and

Then, progressing to the listings of makes and models, the "23" appears as 2-dr hardtop again on C-body vehicles. The "29" ONLY appears as "Dodge Charger" and "Plymouth Barracuda". From this information, it tends to confirm that in '67, all two-door hardtop C-bodies were Fastops.

BUT, the mystery seems to be solved in the 1968 Parts Book's make/model listings. "Fast Top" has a Price Class listing of "X" as the other Fury models have their normal listings. "Notchback 23" is the normal 2-dr hardtop roofline, where as the "Fast Top 23" is the semi-fastback roof. The listing indicates that the "X" Price Class is unique to Plymouth Fury Fast Tops in 1968. As the "S" price class apparently was used for Fast Top Furys in 1967?

Some unique Plymoouth things, it appears.

CBODY67
 
He has them marked correctly. Black lettering at top left corner for PH29.
I owned a PH29. This is PH29 Formal roof
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Trunk pan, rear window, rear frame left side rotted out. Stub frame and A-pillar problems too. Parts car.
1970 Sport Fury Production
PH23 8018 units 2 door hard top coupe
PH29 5688 units 2 door formal top roof. PH29 is called Formal Top in my 1970 sales brochure.
please post a picture of the fender tag.
Hope it is not a "999" special order paint" car
 
All I can say about the roof choices from 67 - 71 is that the Sport Fury line always selected the most beautiful roof style for their best model - the stylists/designers weren't without taste when the one hard choice had to be made and the sales figures of both support their correct choices each time.
 
please post a picture of the fender tag.
Hope it is not a "999" special order paint" car

Looks like mood indigo in that picture but that was a 71 only paint.:rolleyes:
Purple is not the original color. The original color was gold. Some one then painted it light blue. The latest owner filled the quarters with screen and enough bondo to keep the Bondo factory open for a day. Then he painted it Purple. Not sure if I got or kept the fender tag. I doubt it was a 999. Parted the car in 2014.

More History, if you want a laugh: The car sat in a field for some period of time. A flipper purchased it. In addition to the severe rear window rot, the roof was perforated. It had big dents in the back of the front sub frame, as well as rust holes at the front right of that subframe. Also, bondo at the bottom of fenders. 1/3 of the trunk floor crumbled in dust. Rust holes in rear subframe and left spring shackle. I bought in WVA in 2012. Flipper claimed rust free. I made him sign contract with me saying which parts had to be on car when the truck driver picked it up. To his credit, nothing was missing. He had also cleaned ant hills out of the trunk and pass front floor pan. I paid $2000.

Car was a treasure trove of parts. worn but running 1969 440, 1968 727, 8.75 742 3.23 sure grip rear, front disc brakes, power brake pedal and booster, front bumper, working hidden HL grill, front bucket seats, wheel rims, trunk lock, misc. All of which went into this car.
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Timing, yes, vacuum advance disconnected.
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TTI exhaust 2.5"
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I rebuilt 440 and 727. Car is super fun to drive. Purple, light blue, gold car died for a good cause.
 
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