A Formal on a Ford lot

King Hooter

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Well looky here a 78 New Yorker coupe. And at a Ford dealership website no less. Just what was it traded in on?
I've been thinking of driving over and having a personal inspection. Even though they (in my opinion) have the price a tad to high for the condition.
Thoughts?
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Lovely car in its day. Stained headliner is of concern. I see daylight in the driver side quarter in the trunk pic. Not looking good for the rust situation.
 
Yep, go look at it AFTER checking the www.NADAGuides.com website for pricing information, including trade-in values.

Then . . . the headliner, the possible rust in the lh rr lower trunk floor, a new trunk mat, check to see that all of the jack mechisms are there, condition of the leather, etc. Can't zing the value for no whitewqlls, I suspect as recent CBR (cheap, black, round) would be operative. But the vinyl roof condition would figure into the mix, too, for good measure. And that doesn't start to address what's been done under the hood, over time!

I highly suspect they zinged the trade-in value to allow for some fixes, especially the cosmetic ones, in the deal. I also suspect that if it doesn't move somewhat quickly, it'll be headed to the used car auction to verify just how much too-deep they got buried in that deal.

It could definitely be a good "fixer-upper" for a potential elegant vehicle (again) for more-limited use after it's all done. With, of course, a set of new (possibly Hankook Kinergy ST?) whitewalls.

Awaiting the inspection report,
CBODY67
 
@King Hooter Go in Monday morning and tell them you'll help get rid of that eyesore, and that they knew they weren't going to make anything off the car. Be a salesman to them. They used fake numbers to get the seller into whatever they wanted, and you'll pay them exactly what they have into it, nothing. Point out the cars that have sold here at low prices for comparison. Let them know you have your thumb on the pulse of the Formal car market. Also let them know their target market is down the street in the old folks home, and they ride around in buses. Then tell us about you're new car when you bring it home!
 
I discovered that is NOT the only '78 New Yorker for sale in that area! www.trovit.com was the website I ended up on. Several with under 45K miles on them, too.

I always used the NADAGuides website as a hack for the Old Cars Price Guide, as the formats were similar, as the prices tended to be, too. Sometimes, it took a bit to get to the vintage vehicle area, by observation.

FWIW,
CBODY67
 
I discovered that is NOT the only '78 New Yorker for sale in that area! www.trovit.com was the website I ended up on. Several with under 45K miles on them, too.

I always used the NADAGuides website as a hack for the Old Cars Price Guide, as the formats were similar, as the prices tended to be, too. Sometimes, it took a bit to get to the vintage vehicle area, by observation.

FWIW,
CBODY67
Most online value guides only go back to 1990. Nada is the only one I found, I looked for about an hour. Found some sites that looked promising, but they used Nadas guide as well.
 
@King Hooter Go in Monday morning and tell them you'll help get rid of that eyesore, and that they knew they weren't going to make anything off the car. Be a salesman to them. They used fake numbers to get the seller into whatever they wanted, and you'll pay them exactly what they have into it, nothing. Point out the cars that have sold here at low prices for comparison. Let them know you have your thumb on the pulse of the Formal car market. Also let them know their target market is down the street in the old folks home, and they ride around in buses. Then tell us about you're new car when you bring it home!

The old "over-allow/under-allow" game. What might be lost on one side is made-up for on the other side. NOT counting any finance deal, extended warranty, of other things they taekd onto the purchased vehicle's price.

Whatever "inexpensive fix" you might do will probably be far superior to anything they might have done, I suspect.

CBODY67
 
Just went to the NADAGuides website and did a normal used car search, inputting the 1878 Chrysler New Yorker Brougham Coupe items into the menus. Ended up with "Low Retail" of $935 and "High Retail" of $2970 WITH factory a/c. Then clicked on the "Classic" icon in the upper tool bar and got to the exact same place and values. What IS missing is the former notation of vehicle mileage and its affect on the retail sale and trade-in values.

Just what I found,
CBODY667
 
I knew I had seen this New Yorker before because of the drivers door dent. And same pealing roof under rear window.
But how lucky would I be if I'd talk them out of their $7,000 price tag for a $3,000 at the most car? How did I come to that price... that's what the same car sold for at auction in June.
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1978 CHRYSLER NEW YORKER 440-195hp (8cyl-4V) AT
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I found NADA to be a poor barometer of collector/vintage car values. This site is usually closer to the mark.

I get a kick out of all the "expert" vehicle negotiators here. Most that I read would get booted off the lot with their techniques.
Most forget that they are dealing with pro's who have invented the game and have heard it all.
 
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