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65 413 w a newer edelbrock performer. Just parked after a 20 minute drive, flooded, had to floor to start, never did that before

Came home, removed air cleaner, and could hear it boiling

What's the biggest/best spacer I can get under there? I'm willing to go to a skinny air cleaner
 
My experience is that wood spacers such as the one in the link below are the best for heat insulation. I don't think that you need to go more than 1/2 thick, and may even get away with a 1/4 inch thick but would go with the 1/2 inch if you can fit it. My opinion anything more than 1/2 thick for heat dissipation is a waste of time and hood clearance. Wood is a very good thermal insulator.

AED Performance 6150 AED Birchwood Carburetor Spacers | Summit Racing

Unfortunately the pump gas we get today boils at a low temperature. Are you sure you don't have fuel issues? But no thermal barrier is not a good idea............
 
I use non oxy, however, most of the fuel is last year's stabilized. Don't want it to act up on the wife
 
The issues you mention are somewhat "part of the breed" of Slabs, even with the "real" gas we had when the cars were new. Might dig out the factory insulator bag under the intake, if it's still there, for better air flow under the intake at all times (as the Performer RPM manifold does). If the carb is new or recent, might set the floats to slightly lower, but not much, which might help lessen any flow-over fuel.

The OTHER thing is to use about 2/3 throttle on any hot restart, being careful to reduce the throttle setting once the engine fires. Otherwise, the factory recommendation was 1/3 throttle, as I recall in the owner's manual.

IF you used the carb base gasket supplied with the car, it's NOT a good gasdket, to me, for anything other than sealing things up. The factory base gasket was about 3/8" thick with metal/hard plastic bushings in each mounting stud hole to limit compression of the gasket (so as to not crack the carb base by uneven torque situations). They can still be bought in Edelbrock and Holley brands, if not from NAPA or similar. I concur with the heat insulation properties of wood, although it might appear to be a good place for a fire (reflex action), but I have a drag racer friend who has used a wood insulator for years with no issues that I know of.

The air cleaner is not the issue with heat retention that it might appear to be. Any heat it might abso absorb will be above the carb and rise. It's that chunk of cast iron below the carb that radiates heat upward around the carb. Once the engine starts (and the fan clutch works as it should), there is plenty of air to get to the carb, even with the RV-2 compressor in the way, by observation.

Whatever issues we had back then are probably magnified in more recent times by the different Reid Vapor Pressure fuels (even more volatile that the old "winter blends" we had back then!), which are not necessarily tied to octane ratings or ethanol content per se (although ethanol CAN be in that mix, too).

The other side of these more volatile/evaporative gasolines we now have is that once the engine is running, that comes out of the venturi cluster should be more vaporized by the time it gets into the cylinders. Which should result in better combustion, as a general rule.

Of course, fuel-related drieveaiblity issues are more likely in the early spring of the year, by observation. Even on EFI vehicles. Although the "fall blends" might not get the visibility as the "spring/transition blends" do, they might not be that different? It's getting to that time of the year when refineries go offline for their seasonal changeover for the summer driving fuels/season.

Just some thoughts,
CBODY67
 
never did that before

most of the fuel is last year's stabilized

These two things are your clues to your problem.

It never did it before, but now it has old gas in it with stabilizer and the gas is boiling.

Before you do anything, it might be wise to run through the old gas (or better yet, siphon it out and dump it in the daily driver) and get some fresh gas in the car and see if the problem repeats. I'll bet it doesn't.
 
These two things are your clues to your problem.

It never did it before, but now it has old gas in it with stabilizer and the gas is boiling.

Before you do anything, it might be wise to run through the old gas (or better yet, siphon it out and dump it in the daily driver) and get some fresh gas in the car and see if the problem repeats. I'll bet it doesn't.
Your probably right, however I'm still gonna put on that wood insulator. I'm sure I'll run corn gas sometimes, might help that
 
Some states do not mandate fuel pump labelling for ethanol-blended fuels. Not sure if MN is or is not one of them, fwiw. Obviously, I would hope that any fuel labelled "Ethanol Free" would really be that way.

Enjoy!
CBODY67
 
The issues you mention are somewhat "part of the breed" of Slabs, even with the "real" gas we had when the cars were new. Might dig out the factory insulator bag under the intake, if it's still there, for better air flow under the intake at all times (as the Performer RPM manifold does). If the carb is new or recent, might set the floats to slightly lower, but not much, which might help lessen any flow-over fuel.

The OTHER thing is to use about 2/3 throttle on any hot restart, being careful to reduce the throttle setting once the engine fires. Otherwise, the factory recommendation was 1/3 throttle, as I recall in the owner's manual.

IF you used the carb base gasket supplied with the car, it's NOT a good gasdket, to me, for anything other than sealing things up. The factory base gasket was about 3/8" thick with metal/hard plastic bushings in each mounting stud hole to limit compression of the gasket (so as to not crack the carb base by uneven torque situations). They can still be bought in Edelbrock and Holley brands, if not from NAPA or similar. I concur with the heat insulation properties of wood, although it might appear to be a good place for a fire (reflex action), but I have a drag racer friend who has used a wood insulator for years with no issues that I know of.

The air cleaner is not the issue with heat retention that it might appear to be. Any heat it might abso absorb will be above the carb and rise. It's that chunk of cast iron below the carb that radiates heat upward around the carb. Once the engine starts (and the fan clutch works as it should), there is plenty of air to get to the carb, even with the RV-2 compressor in the way, by observation.

Whatever issues we had back then are probably magnified in more recent times by the different Reid Vapor Pressure fuels (even more volatile that the old "winter blends" we had back then!), which are not necessarily tied to octane ratings or ethanol content per se (although ethanol CAN be in that mix, too).

The other side of these more volatile/evaporative gasolines we now have is that once the engine is running, that comes out of the venturi cluster should be more vaporized by the time it gets into the cylinders. Which should result in better combustion, as a general rule.

Of course, fuel-related drieveaiblity issues are more likely in the early spring of the year, by observation. Even on EFI vehicles. Although the "fall blends" might not get the visibility as the "spring/transition blends" do, they might not be that different? It's getting to that time of the year when refineries go offline for their seasonal changeover for the summer driving fuels/season.

Just some thoughts,
CBODY67
Thanks for the info, good to know! I didn't know they recommend 1/3 throttle on hot starts
 
Your probably right, however I'm still gonna put on that wood insulator. I'm sure I'll run corn gas sometimes, might help that
I don't run one in either of my cars... and they get all sorts of new gas, especially when I travel and I can't be fussy. I never have problems.
 
I'm with Big_John, I'm not fussy on fuel and I haven't heard boilover in my carbs. But, mine do generally start better when cold than hot, takes 2-4 more secs when hot. I have always believed this to be to faster-evaporating modern fuels, and that I am losing some fuel when heat-soaking, because the problem isn't there if I re-start just a few minutes after shutdown, but it is after 20 min to an hour of soak.
 
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