300 Hurst broadcast sheet - velour interior?...Help please

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  1. Northcoast300h

    Northcoast300h New Member

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    I found build sheet under velour seat, which seemed to be untouched (but who knows after 50 yrs). Why do I have velour/leather seats when every other 300 Hurst has all leather seats? Previous owner didn't know but said doors used to be velour fabric as well but were changed because original cloth fell apart.

    1) Why does my broadcast sheet state "38 Special Order" or "Imp set up"? (see pics) I'm guessing this is special to the interior only, since VIN and Fender tag already show its a real 300 Hurst?
    2) What does "5" mean in seat box?

    Fender tag shows "M6T5" which I believe is all leather. I love the feel of these velour seats much more than all leather, so just wondering if owner could have ordered it with velour seats or if all leather seats were stolen and owner changed entire interior to velour, which I think would have been a weird thing to do.

    Thanks for any help guys!

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  2. Carmine

    Carmine Old Man with a Hat

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    Those seats are not original. That type of fabric wasn't even in common use at least a decade later. As someone who spent a few years in Phoenix, I've seen several cars where the standard and only interior was leather, but the cars were resewn (very well, factory quality) in velour. Why? Because heat. Sometimes I see it in cooler states just because it's a lot cheaper than leather.

    Special Order likely refers only to being shipped to Hurst and/or the use of Imperial seats.
     
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  3. Trace 300 Hurst

    Trace 300 Hurst Professional Tinkerer FCBO Gold Member

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    The velour is not original, period. And that's fine.....50 years is a long time.

    Here's my Sheet, and I DON'T have velour. Notice the A12 code, circled in green. That's what really determines that it was the Hurst package.
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  4. CBODY67

    CBODY67 Old Man with a Hat

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    In reality, the "Hurst" equipment was most probably added AFTER Chrysler built the car on a regular assembly line. With the necessary Hurst-package basic optional equipment, plus possibly some additions to that in the "special order".

    I concur that the interior is NOT factory, BUT sewn in the factory pattern with close-match colors. As mentioned, velour interiors didn't become popular until about 1974, when the standard interior in Chrysler New Yorkers was "velour" in nature. Otherwise, it was brocades as the cloth interior fabric.

    With the Hurst-specific graphics and such being added AFTER the fact, in their possibly off-site location, I would suspect a "SPECIAL HANDLING" notation on the build sheet, too, as the Wing Cars usually had on them. BTAIM

    According to a road test of a 300-H in CAR LIFE magazine, when the cars were new, there were a few initial 300-H cars built with manual windows, until it was realized that with the doors closed, the window regulator handles hit the seats. After that, power windows became a part of the Hurst equipment package. The article made it sound like that was a running change to the Hurst equipment package.

    Stock or not, keep that car nice for what it is.

    Enjoy!
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    M6T5 is the interior code for a 300 Hurst. That cloth is added to the car.

    Note: a 300-H was made in 1962

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  6. Trace 300 Hurst

    Trace 300 Hurst Professional Tinkerer FCBO Gold Member

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    Basically, yes. Chrysler built a white 300 with all the heavy duty running gear, the Imp interior, and with a few mandatory deletes such as no vinyl top, no body side molding, and no stripes so to allow the Hurst to do their thing at their facility, which was the fiberglass hood and decklid, and the gold paint and pinstripes....and not much else, really. Options from the factory were air, cruise, radio options, wiper speed, tilt, high-beam dimming (I've never seen that) and the rare console. Other than that, for the most part all the Hursts were identical EXCEPT for the first 17 with crank windows, as you mentioned. I've never seen one of those, either.

    As for the ultra-famous convertible car [the Linda car], that was NOT part of the Hurst lineage. George ordered a white convertible and did a similar (but far from exact) paint scheme for his company's promotional use. It's one-of-one, period.
     
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  7. Trace 300 Hurst

    Trace 300 Hurst Professional Tinkerer FCBO Gold Member

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    Yep. As for the 300-H discussion, you are correct. That's why we call colloquially call 'em "Hursts".
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    That earlier 300H was a "different breed of cat", as in "normal production Letter Car", rather than something created by an aftermarket company to promote their products (some of which included logo'd floor shifters for 4-speed cars, OEM production).

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  9. Trace 300 Hurst

    Trace 300 Hurst Professional Tinkerer FCBO Gold Member

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    Well.....actually.....the Hursts are the "different breed of cat", from the true letter cars. Even Chrysler literature at the time stated silliness like "hearkening back to the Letter cars of our storied past", meaning it's NOT a Letter car. After dismal sales for a $7000 car that nobody knew anything about (nothing in the 1970 brochure), they pulled the plug on the Hursts. Some say 485 cars, some say 501. Chrysler unequivocally states that it was 485, below.
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    You guys have been getting this incorrect since December 1969.

    The assertion that the 1970 300-H wasn’t a “letter car”, was prompted by the 300 Club. The club and most people are have consciously ignored the 1969 Chrysler press realese, the dealer distribution notification, and the Chrysler/Hurst FACTORY BROCHURE, which clearly, with out any question, names the model the 1970 Chysler 300-H.
    The “H” significant to “Hurst” Performance, as they built the car.

    It was never called officially a “letter” car, by Chrysler but the inference is more than obvious here.

    For the 300 letter purists,.. yes there obviously is a 1962 300 H, AND a 1970 300-H. Chrysler stated this in December of 1969....now get over it.:poke:
     
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    Do you know what Hurst Performance states as their production totals? Because they (Hurst) have their own total production numbers.
     
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    Just like the 300C....
     
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    Thank you and I would not argue against you because I know you know your stuff but I have to add this to throw more confusion to the chaos.
    Please look at the last line of this Chrysler ad.

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    The letter guys aren't going to like that .
     
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    commando1 Old Man With a Hat on the Porch FCBO Gold Member

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    I tried to be as diplomatic as possible.
     
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    I've read in several locations that there was only one 300 Hurst built with crank windows, and it was the magazine test car. The big reason for this is that the Imperial seats interfere with the operation of the window cranks. If there had been 17, I'm sure we would have come across some over the years, especially since lower option cars seem to survive better.

    The crank window equipped magazine test car is still around. I remember it being featured in one of the Mopar magazines within the last decade or so.

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    polara71 Old Man with a Hat

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    You didn't mention cornering lights. Damn I like those, I think it adds a look but not sure why .
     
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    I agree.

    I think it's because the regular maker lights just look out of place. Small lights kind of floating out in space. The marker lights mounted down low in '69 was a cleaner design.

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    Have you any examples of this literature to share with us here?

    There are many examples of factory names and equipment that never made it to the street if you look at brochures, literature, and files, etc:
    - 1967 Coronet R/T naming the car “road runner”
    - The mustang looking lower body side stripe
    - The 4 blade solid fan on a 67 440HP
    - the turquoise painted 4 speed transmission
    - The upper and lower white pinstripe (they did use the upper only)

    All these mistakes listed can be seen in the photos below. These are just some of Chrysler’s Goof ups in print for all to see. There are many more.

    They were clearly finding their way and these things were not what the cars are know for today. But we could keep this alive and announce our “1967 Dodge road runner”.

    Take your 1967 R/T to get concourse or OE certified with the entire 4 speed painted turquiose engine color and see what happens.

    But this would surely be just as silly as someone who arrives at a Chrysler 300 function announcing their 300H that is white and gold with Fiberglass hood and trunk lid and a TNT 440. “Oh don’t you mean Hurst?“

    so right or wrong and split the hairs the Chrysler 300 clubs are using 300H for a 1962 and HURST for a 1970. Makes a quick solution to get everybody understanding what car you are talking about.


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    AND it starts
     
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