NOT MINE 67 Sport Fury fasttop, 440 4-speed, gold-black, 53k miles, $18,000 Michigan

[fury fan]

I saw an identical car about 25 years ago at the Mopar Nats.
Was for sale - IIRC it had ~30k miles back then, and seller wanted $10k for it.
Although I had my 4-speed Fury back then, I did not know as much about the peculiarities of the 4-speed cars. I wish I could've talked to him more.


Presuming this car is original, I hafta believe this is the same car.
I probably still have some 4x6 photos of it in a shoebox in the basement.

Presumably the seller is mistaken about the 3.54 Dana, should actually be 3.31 I believe.






1967 Plymouth Sport fury · Fast top

Seller's Description​

Rare 440 super commando four-speed car bucket seats,council,factory tech,power disc brakes,manual steering,354 Dana ,converted to electric Ignition, new carburetor,new high torque starter,new fuel pump,new air filter,new tail pipes

 

[furyfred1]

I have contacted this person about the car. Had questions about original engine. Fender tag is correct. But I am not sure about the motor.
He said it has 915 heads and gave me cast date codes. When I asked about hand stamping on top of the block communication stopped.
Correct me if I am wrong. I am not an expert and always looking for knowledge. But didn’t all 1967 440’s have 915 heads? But if it was a non HP motor it have smaller valves?
Were HP 915 heads hand stamped HP on the end also?
I like the car but the value in this car is the drivetrain being correct. Interior looked original with seams separating.
It is not like I am around the corner to go look at it. But the seller would not provide that information. He said it’s “original”
I wish I was closer. Any Mopar guys near Warren, Michigan?

 

[RemCharger]

Yes, the L code 915s (which were a slightly different casting) had HP stamped on the machined boss where the alt bolts on. Opposite for DS head.

 

[furyfred1]

Yes, the L code 915s (which were a slightly different casting) had HP stamped on the machined boss where the alt bolts on. Opposite for DS head.

So the DS stamping would be against the firewall?

 

[RemCharger]

So the DS stamping would be against the firewall?

Correct.

 

[fury fan]

Price dropped to $16,200 on the 67.

Questions of originality aside on the 440, here's a comparison to a similar car.
68 vs 67, and hardtop vs fasttop, 100k miles vs 53k miles.
68 has new seatcovers, 67 reportedly has some seams coming apart.

Consensus was the 68 was quite overpriced, and the 2000 price drop on the 67 seems to prove that.

NOT MINE - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 4spd $20,000 Conway AR (FB)

 

[fury fan]

I see a few differences (depending on how picky we want to be) between this car I saw in 1996, and the for-sale car.
I see 1 thing that is really similar, and quite compelling to me that it's teh same car.

But what do you guys see?

 

[furyfred1]

Price dropped to $16,200 on the 67.

Questions of originality aside on the 440, here's a comparison to a similar car.
68 vs 67, and hardtop vs fasttop, 100k miles vs 53k miles.
68 has new seatcovers, 67 reportedly has some seams coming apart.

Consensus was the 68 was quite overpriced, and the 2000 price drop on the 67 seems to prove that.

NOT MINE - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 4spd $20,000 Conway AR (FB)
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This 68 sat online for some time before it sold. Don’t know the final price. The 67 dropped one week after it was listed.

 

[furyfred1]

I see a few differences (depending on how picky we want to be) between this car I saw in 1996, and the for-sale car.
I see 1 thing that is really similar, and quite compelling to me that it's teh same car.

But what do you guys see?




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Hard to tell color/lighting looks different. But it could be the same car. Hard to find out how many were built accurately. Nice pictures!

 

[FURYGT]

My understanding is that all '66 & '67 440's had 915 heads. Blocks did not get stamped with VIN numbers until part way through the '68 production so the best that you can do see if the drivetrain has correct date codes.

IMHO, $18k was a very fair price for that car and $16,200 is a deal. Some flipper is going to buy that car and the next time you see it the price will be close to if not at $30k.

 

[furyfred1]

Blocks were hand stamped up top. “C” would mean 1967. Casting date is 1966. HP heads were different larger valves and stamped HP. I was under the impression 915 heads were 67 only. But I’m not an expert.
If it’s not the right engine it’s just another 67 Sport Fury to me. Let the flippers have at it. I prefer a 65 or 68 Fury looks, it’s the driveline that caught my attention. I guess I’m just not that in love with it.

 

[RemCharger]

Yes 915 is 67 . 516 were on the 66s. I have some that came off a 66 tnt.

 

[fury fan]

Correct on 915 being -67 only, and HP has a larger exh valve.

The 66 TNT is somewhat a confuser vs later years. Reportedly it stands for Twin snorkels N Twin exhausts.
But it does not have the HP cam, upgraded valves/springs nor exhaust manifolds like the 67-71 TNT does, and uses the 'small' -516 heads same as 361 and 383.
The 68-71 TNT 'gave' the 'bigger' heads downward to the 383s. (I say it gave them downward, as the 67 TNT did NOT share heads with the 383, which still used the -516).

 

[fury fan]

If it’s not the right engine it’s just another 67 Sport Fury to me. Let the flippers have at it. I prefer a 65 or 68 Fury looks, it’s the driveline that caught my attention. I guess I’m just not that in love with it.

I get that, I'm a fan of 65 and 68 also.
But if it were a correct-running 440, I could overlook the NOM (and being a 67) as it's still a factory 440-4speed car.
And likely 1 of 50 built with that drivetrain.

 

[fury fan]

Hard to tell color/lighting looks different. But it could be the same car. Hard to find out how many were built accurately. Nice pictures!

Well, the old pics are a cellphone photo of an ~25-year-old 4x6 photo, so there's that...

I believe it is the same car.

Obviously the tires and license plate are different but don't count (unless the license plate was still the same, that is).
On the old pics I see a thin black pinstripe, it is no longer there - but that doesn't carry much weight.
The old pics show some of hte chrome on the RH taillights is missing - but that could've been corrected.
But here's what I find most compelling - the hood insulator.
Those clips do not look factory (they look like plastic?) and they are the same in both old and new pics.

 

[furyfred1]

I get that, I'm a fan of 65 and 68 also.
But if it were a correct-running 440, I could overlook the NOM (and being a 67) as it's still a factory 440-4speed car.
And likely 1 of 50 built with that drive

I agree. Wish it was closer or lines of communication were better. Long distance relationships are tough.

 

[furyfred1]

SOLD!

 

[fury fan]

Did you buy it?

 

[detmatt]

My silver ‘67 Imp is a very early car and it had 516 heads on it.

 

[Ross Wooldridge]

I believe it could well be the same car - regarding the hood pad, that is an AFTERMARKET hood pad, as the factory ones were molded to the shape of the hood panel underneath, and held in with the metal clips we are all familiar with. Aftermarket hood pads that came out prior to the reproduction industry may not have had access to the metal clips, and may have used generic plastic push in type clips, such as what you see on the car(s) in the photos.