69 Belvedere plant (Dodge/Plymouth) info needed

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  1. 69CoronetRT

    69CoronetRT Senior Member

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    After compiling a '69 B body and then '69 A body spread sheets (8,000+ cars) the next logical step was to do one for 69 C bodies.

    I think I've found a change in how tags were coded at the Belvedere plant about March of 1969. To confirm the change, I need more data.

    I'm looking for fender tag pictures of any Dodge (VIN code D*) or Plymouth (P*) cars built at the Belvedere plant (9D) with VINS 245,xxx or higher. I'm especially interested in convertibles as well as cars with vinyl tops.

    I'm open to collaborating and sharing data with interested and mutually beneficial parties.
     
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    ayilar Senior Member FCBO Gold Member

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    Here is the tag for DM27H9D241455 — that’s before your cutoff, but this ‘69 Polara 500 ‘vert might still be useful.

    I don't have access to my files at the moment, but as a quick reply here are several other Belvedere-built 1969 Polara 500 'verts whose SBDs fit your bill:

    here is the tag of @69monaco’s DM27L9D280367

    here is the tag of @CHASCASH 's DM27G9D312076

    here is the tag of DM27G9D291517

    PS: I have been gathering info about 1969 Polara 500 'verts -- if you have the tags or info of other cars, and you can share them (either publicly or via PM), I'd be interested!
     
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    fc7_plumcrazy Old Man with a Hat

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    Hi Doug,

    here are some tags.
    Let me know if you need more.

    Hope they help

    Best Mopar greetings from germany

    Carsten


    9d246177_pm27f_f3.jpg 9d246296_pm27f_f3.jpg 9d248398_dl23l_a4.jpg 9d251581_dh43l_f3.jpg 9d253776_ph29h_y4.jpeg 9d254004_pm23g_w1.jpg 9d258583_pe21b_y3.jpg 9d259472_pm27f_t3.jpeg 9d271486_ph27g_y6.jpg 9d273196_pk41k_a4.jpg
     
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    fc7_plumcrazy Old Man with a Hat

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    here are a few more

    Carsten

    9d275632_pk41l_99.JPG 9d276946_ph27l_b5.jpg 9d280367_dm27l_y4.JPG 9d281376_pk21k_x9.jpg 9d284189_pm27f_w1.jpg 9d285071_pm29g_t7.jpg 9d288950_pm27f_b3.jpg 9d291517_dm27g_f3.jpg 9d291568_dh27h_y2.jpg 9d293009_pm27f_b5.jpg
     
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  5. ayilar

    ayilar Senior Member FCBO Gold Member

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    @fc7_plumcrazy -- do you have more info about DM27H9D291568 (if I read correctly)? I already know about DM27G9D291517 and DM27H9D280367 .
     
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    fc7_plumcrazy Old Man with a Hat

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    sorry, no these tags are just out of my box of shareable tags

    Carsten
     
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    69monaco Senior Member

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    Ironwolf Senior Member

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    I know this one is has a VIN much lower than the 245,XXX that your looking for however where it is a convertible I thought it may help.

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    ayilar Senior Member FCBO Gold Member

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    @Ironwolf — can you tell us more about PH27H9D101278 ? With an SBD of 801, it’s gotta be one of the first fusie Fury ‘verts built.
     
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    yes I Sent you a PM...
     
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    Thanks to all. This is new info to me, sorry if others already knew it.

    As I ws entering the data into a spread sheet, 246177 is one of the tags that stared me down this path.

    The coding from two paint codes to one paint code for vinyl top and convertible cars starts in March and, apparently around 317 to 320 for vinyl top cars.

    Car 241455 with an SPD of 306 only has one paint code and a convertible top but 246177 SPD 311 has two.
    Car 248398 317 SPD codes paint twice with a V1*. Car 251581 with 321 SPD codes paint once with V1*.

    What was coded, when it was coded and even where it was coded on the tag changes year to year, plant to plant and even during the year.

    Thanks again. Research continues.
     
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    69CoronetRT Senior Member

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    Also...notice cars 253776 and 254004 have SPDs of 320 where car 251581 has a lower VIN but an SPD of 321.

    Scheduling cars 'out of order' is fairly common at some plants and rare at others. This is my first time finding out of order scheduling at the Belvedere plant.

    This also reinforces that cars were not built in VIN order. There was no logical reason to build cars in order, it's inefficient and cars were, often, not even scheduled in VIN order.
     
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    ayilar Senior Member FCBO Gold Member

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    @69CoronetRT -- here is the build sheet for that X9 Polara 500 'vert:

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    69CoronetRT Senior Member

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    Thanks! They all help.

    There's another coding quirk I discovered and it is demonstrated above.

    With certain colors (blues and greens so far) the upper door frame paint (UDF) changes, apparently, based on the exterior color. I've not seen this occur in any A or B body. It seems to happen at Belvedere and Windsor. I do not have enough Newark cars to establish a pattern.

    For example, see the tags Carsten posted above.

    Car 288950 has the M4D interior, a B3 exterior and a B3 UDF paint code.
    Car 293009 has the M4D interior, a B5 exterior and a B5 UDF paint code.

    Typically, one would expect to see consistency of interior code and UDF paint.

    Research continues......
     
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    shooter65 Appalachian American FCBO Gold Member

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    Here's a couple more. The first is from a parts car that I scavenged.

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    The second is from my car.

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    MrMoparCHP Senior Member

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    Recently I was exchanging PMs with Martin about his DM27L9D and I had noticed that, his is a later car 280367 and mine an early one 200582


    Alan
     
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    Only have one '69 Fury convertible PH27F9D290030 in my mediocre collection of tags. Was a pretty stripped parts car from recollection. I just noticed no radio codes which is kinda neat. Now I have to go back and see if its "radio delete" car.

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  18. 69CoronetRT

    69CoronetRT Senior Member

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    Thanks for the picture. They all help.

    While almost every car had one, leading people to think radios were standard, radios were always optional.

    Meaning, one cannot delete something that isn't standard meaning 'radio delete' is not possible. It's like saying a car is A/C delete.
     
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    Yes, I understand, hence the quotations I put around "radio delete" ;)
     
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    Late produktion for a 69 model I guess?
     
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