Am I being ripped off???

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I like my mechanic (been with him since I had a 1986 Caprice) BUT I think he's getting pricey (maybe inflation). I asked for a quote on a front brake job for 1975 New Yorker. Nothing fancy . Replace brake pads and turn rotors (no new calipers, no new rotors). His quote was $400. Then I asked if I brought in the rotors off the car to turn and he said $50 a piece. I can buy new rotors on E-Bay for $70. So I submit to the board; is that A high price to turn rotors? I mean I do the labor of taking them off and all he does is put them on the machine and watch them turn.

As an aside on being pricey, I've been watching the "Waltons" (TV show from 1975) . John Walton breaks the axel on this Model T truck and the mechanic wants $9 to replace it. John Walton is outraged at the price. I mean what is a fair price for turning rotors? Paul
 
BETTER to run machine your existing rotors (including the final swirl polish finish, like OEM!!) than to buy unknown-quality rotors (possibly from China). So you're in for $100.00 on the rotors, plus new grease seals. Then figure about $60.00+ for some good semi-metallic front brake pads. More for other pad materials. Now you're getting toward $200.00 for parts. NOW, what it the labor rate and how many labor hours to do the job? So that probably gets you closer to the $400.00 ball park.

IF there are no brake pulsation issues when stopping, DO NOT cut the rotors. Which will decrease the total price a bit. JUST REPLACE THE PADS. I know that is a bit "counter-culture" for a "brake job", BUT if there are no pulsations, no need to cut the rotors, period.

DO grease the front wheel bearings while you're there!

Enjoy!
CBODY67
 
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$400.00 is not bad. When I did the front brakes on my 74 New Yorker due to a stuck caliper. It wound up becoming a project to replace everything. New pads, new rotors. Other caliper stuck when I compressed it back in. The other side caliper was leaking from the seal. Which lead to both flex hoses twisting off at the frame brackets and making both new lines for both sides from the master cylinder down.
 
He does not "watch the rotors turn", he works on another car and makes money while they turn.

Now he has to buy and maintain the brake lathe, learn how to use it, have a building to work in with power for lights and the lathe to operate.

$50 is cheap, $400 is understandable.

Do this yourself and then see how many hours it takes. Plus he has to guarantee this work, or be out of business.
 
I just had a recall repaired on my kubota tractor, free pick up and return of my tractor, no charge for recall on PTO. I made the mistake of having them change hydraulic filters, 2, and fuel filter. $360!!!! 1-1/2 hr labor at $140 an hr! Everything is out of control! I could have changed filters in 20 mins. I also got another quote to rebuild my front end on my 300, same guy that did my first one 5 years ago, then, $2800, today, same job almost $5000! Even he was shocked at parts prices, I dont think the 'people' want us to keep the cars on the road anymore! Makes me wonder?
 
The "vintage vehicle" hobby has always been a more-wealthy person's game. Just that many Mopar people don't mind getting grease under their fingernails, by observation. AND their wealth was invested in some of the tools to do things with, years ago.

I agree, on the initial presentation, $400.00 sounds like way too much money to do a simple brake pad replacement. When everything is itemized, it's all there. Especially if there are some issues which arise during the work. THEN that price can be well-spent as it is their problem to deal with and you get to keep all of your hair (if any).

Enjoy!
CBODY67
 
They want you without transportation and living in the city.

The electric vehicle thing is about controlling where, when and how far you can go. Charger location, lines, charging speed, etc.
 
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They want you without transportation and living in the city.

The electric vehicle thing is about controlling where, when and how far you can go. Charger location, lines, speed, etc.
Just like the horse industry might have done in the 1900s. FWIW
 
Flat rate for a modern front brake job is 2.8 hours. That includes turning rotors but that is for rotors that slide off the hub. Yours will require removing the bearings and seal, cleaning and repacking bearings that is worth another 0.6 for a total of 3.4 hours. The cheapest shop in my neck of the woods charges $90/hour. Total labor cost would be $306. Brake pads and wheels bearing seals are probably $60(for good ones) so I say your guy is giving you a good price.

Like others have said unless your rotors are warped don’t turn them. That should bring the price of the job down to 1.8 hours.

Just for reference my niece job got quoted $1200 from the dealership for her 2010 Chrysler 300 for a front and rear brake job. For just pad replacement.
 
I agree with Cbody67. Unless you have a bad rotor surface, just replace the pads and "bed them" or seat them. Done this many times over the years. It's not a el cheapo or redneck method. I've seen FSM procedures for it. Turning also reduces the thickness which makes the rotor more susceptible to warpage.

As for your original question: $400 seems like average rate. About 5 years ago, I was charged $90 labor to have 2 rotors turned. (pulsating pedal and shudder when applied at road speed).
Incidentally, if you trust that mechanic, then that's worth something. When I had my rotors turned, the guy insisted I go with new pads. Had less than 12k miles on ceramic pads. I said, "o.k. but put same kind back on". Found out a couple years later when I replaced those pads, he had put some cheap organic pads on but charged me for Premium.
 
I grew tired of the bad new disc problem and the pay $50 to have a disc/drum turned problem. So, I bought a used brake lathe for $500 and have done 20 of my own disc/drums in the last year. So far so good.

Without you got a lathe handy, I say take an hour and give the car some $20 eBay pads and some bearing grease and see how the car feels. You know, just like folks been doing since disc came out.
Well, maybe a set of hoses also. At least take a good look at them.
 
A 4 wheel brake job at our shop, with rotors, all factory parts, will run you north of $1200. Cutting the rotors saves you @ $100 per axle.
Yes,you can buy cheaper parts but usually get what you pay for.
$400 is a deal. He needs to keep the lights on too.
 
The one thing I'm never sure about when it comes to "cheap" rotors is - are they the cause of brake squeel? The metal itself? I've heard of something in the metalurgy that might separate quite vs noisy rotors but to me it's a crap shoot if that consistently shows up in the price.
 
It has always been my understanding that it is the pads which make the noise, not the rotors. The pads are supposed to "slide" against the rotors, so that in itself can set-up many scenarios for various vibration patterns (and sounds). As the friction of the pads might also build a resonance in the rotor, too. Metallurgy MIGHT play a part in this, too. NOTHING is as generic as it might seem!

In prior times, vehicle speeds were not nearly as diverse as they can now be, for the same vehicle and different owner uses. Used to be that most people obeyed the posted speed limits, so a main performance criteria was "under 75mph", rather than over it (as it now seems to be). Figure in generally heavier vehicles too! Then the desire to decrease weight in ALL vehicle areas, including brake pads, so LOTS of parameters for a "good" brake pad. Not nearly like it was in the middle 1970s, when cars seldom got past 5000lbs and almost never exceeded 90mph, or got close to it.

In the later 1990s, a lady brought in her year-old Corvette with the complaint "brakes squealing". An office manager type who drove her Corvette like a Chevette. Yep, brakes designed to reliably stop a car from 175mph being used to "stop easy" all of the time. So I got a new set of pads and the tech installed them. Factory warranty paid for all of it.

Pads designed for "HD" use, even HD2500 pickup trucks, need to be harder yet still have a more aggressive friction material. "Car" pads need something softer and generally quieter, by observation. Fine line on this last item, it seems, as that "one panic stop" capability is needed, too.

REGARDLESS of the vehicle, NO panic stops need to happen until the friction is mostly bedded-in after installation. Yep, "break-in" time and miles/stops. People who immediately go out and "panic stop" new linings WILL have issues with those brakes after that, by observation. We had a "quality control" guy in our service dept that did that. Brakes pulled one side or the other, after that. He basically ruined the work of our brake techs with his "worse case scenario" actions immediately.

SO, all rotors need to have the final "swirl polish finish" the OEM rotors had on them when new. That additional finish operation breaks-up the "phonoraphy needle"-like grooves from the lathe's cutting bit. Otherwise the friction will desire to follow those grooves inward until the pad has smoothed them out. Chattering and such can happen with no swirl polish. IF the finish is too satiny, early brake fade (and smells) will happen until that finish is polished by the pads, too.

Which is ONE reason to not cut a rotor when brake pulsations in stopping. The new finish could be worse than the current one, even if there are some wear grooves in it! New pads, easier stops initially, then it can be longer until the next need for pads, from my experiences.

MANY seem to desire "drilled and slotted" rotors for alleged better performance (which they can provide in some racing and mountain-driving situations), but definitely overkill for normal uses, to me. PLUS, no machining of them as you would for a normal non-drilled/slotted rotor. Just replacement.

About 6 years ago, we bought a full set of brake parts for a British high-end, but smaller model thereof, SUV. Rotors, pads, wear sensors, seals. Our dealership cost from the OEM dealer was $1400.00. Then figure in the labor price at whatever is prevalent in your area for such. No wonder they were on our used car lot!

Same surface finish things also apply to drum brakes, too.

Just my experiences and observations,
CBODY67
 
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BETTER to run machine your existing rotors (including the final swirl polish finish, like OEM!!) than to buy unknown-quality rotors (possibly from China). So you're in for $100.00 on the rotors, plus new grease seals. Then figure about $60.00+ for some good semi-metallic front brake pads. More for other pad materials. Now you're getting toward $200.00 for parts. NOW, what it the labor rate and how many labor hours to do the job? So that probably gets you closer to the $400.00 ball park.

IF there are no brake pulsation issues when stopping, DO NOT cut the rotors. Which will decrease the total price a bit. JUST REPLACE THE PADS. I know that is a bit "counter-culture" for a "brake job", BUT if there are no pulsations, no need to cut the rotors, period.

DO grease the front wheel bearings while you're there!

Enjoy!
CBODY67
I just had rotors turned on my 69 300.
$30 each. No one doing that much anymore.
 
It has always been my understanding that it is the pads which make the noise, not the rotors. The pads are supposed to "slide" against the rotors, so that in itself can set-up many scenarios for various vibration patterns (and sounds). As the friction of the pads might also build a resonance in the rotor, too. Metallurgy MIGHT play a part in this, too. NOTHING is as generic as it might seem!

There are some rotors that are branded as "QuietCast". Maybe higher carbon steel content. Also the placement of shims between the caliper and pad arms and the brake knuckle stop.

I'm not necessarily talking about C-body rotors - for me it's the rotors on my 300m's. The ONLY concern I have when I buy factory closeout $14 rotors on rock auto are - will they squeel and no matter what I do, no matter what pads I swap in, no matter what backing grease I try, I can't stop the squeel.
 
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