Basic noob questions on resealing oil pan

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Hello,

I'm looking to reseal the oil pan just because it's something I feel I can tackle and would be good on an old car like this. I'm getting a tiny bit of drip but I think it's a bad plug gasket, however I'd like to just clean everything up. Is it as simple as YouTube makes it look?

I have a 73 Polara with the 360la.

I'm considering this gasket
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=2655950&cc=1095476&pt=5436&jsn=10578

These plug gaskets
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=10906940&cc=1095476&pt=5428&jsn=10504

This filter
https://mypartsuniverse.com/en-ca/p...ia6zzzhEujvjWnXcUOh3eAgWCqUGK1YVzrCZuFL9kgTrZ

And 3.75 liters, or as the manual states 3.25 imperial / 4 US quarts of oil. I'll probably go with Castrol high mileage, something not synthetic but good for older engines. Is there anything else that's best to use and is the prescribed amount in the manual the correct amount to use? I'm not into snake oils but in people's experience if there's something that really works best then I'm all ears.

From what I gather I zap the bolts off, they're reusable, set them aside, scrape off both surfaces block and pan, clean pan/ check pan with magnet for metal shavings, apply gasket sealer in a wavy pattern around the holes on the pan surface, applied pan to the block and then tighten down using star pattern, torque to spec.

Anything else? Thank you!
 
There's a couple of things you'll have to get out of the way first. The center link for the steering needs to be removed or at least dropped down. And if you have single exhaust, that needs to be removed, or again you might be able to just drop it a few inches and work around it.
 
And 3.75 liters, or as the manual states 3.25 imperial / 4 US quarts of oil. I'll probably go with Castrol high mileage, something not synthetic but good for older engines. Is there anything else that's best to use and is the prescribed amount in the manual the correct amount to use?
Actually 5 quarts. You add one quart for the filter.
 
Oil Filter . . . not bad BUT it might be hard to find a flaky engine oil filter at this point in time. I suspect that as flaky as some less expensive brands might be, many of them will be better (as to filtering media and such) as some of the better brands used to be when the car was new. Many of the brands have been cut open to see what is inside, but that was many years ago and things could have changed since then!

As maligned as WIX has become in the more current times, as WIX was sold by Dana Corporation to a larger world-wide filter manufacturer, it CAN still be a good choice. Available in many places, as NAPA and such.

Using an oil filter marketed by a large oil company can have some merit, but is more about the oil company wanting to sell complimentary products to their motor oil, more than anything else, to me. Purolator is another long-time brand that appears to make some OEM-level products, too. As a default mode, using a brand of filter sold by an automotive OEM for THEIR products can be a good deal too! In this area, one of the most common brands was the Motorcraft/Ford FL-1A filter. Every town would have a Ford dealership, by observation, so most of the service stations usually carried the Ford-brand filters in stock for their oil changes. For GM vehicles, AC filters. The stations which did our oil changes, back then usually had both the "long" and "short" Ford-brand, Chrysler application, filters in stock.

Oil drain plug gaskets . . . the opaque white gaskets pictured were OEM years ago.
They will conform to the contours of the sealing surface. In later years, a better seal has evolved. GM used it. A metal core with a redish rubber inner sealing surface, which had to be screwed onto the drain plug, then a slightly wider rubber area would contact the drain plug and the oil pan for a very reliable seal. A bit more expensive, but worth it when you put both ones side by side. OEM application was GM engines of the 1990s and later, as I recall. Same size as the Chrysler drain plugs, too. Not sure what Chrysler uses now, or Ford, FWIW.

MAHLE is a German OEM brand which has expanded in recent decades by seeming to buy-up the old-line USA OEM brands. Nothing wrong there.

ALL rubberized cork gaskets, even OEM brands, WILL SEEP OIL over time. No matter what, just the nature of the beast. How long it takes will depend upon the brand of oil! The brands of oil which cause seeps are generally the same brands that will get into the nooks and crannies of the engine to lubricate there first, which is good for lubrication. Adding more tightening torque will not change anything, by observation, especially once it starts.

The simple and quick fix is to, as I came to realize back in the 1990s, is to use high-heat silicone sealer to "seal" the cork from the motor oil. I started to put a thin, skin coat of sealer onto the cork, covering all 4 sides with it, smeared on with my finger, leaving some fingerprint-type texture in it, letting it cure over-night, and then installing it. NO seeps for decades. Even a low-quality rubberized cork gasket will work. As to the end seals, they go in dry/no sealer.

Now . . . with all of that out of the way . . . just WHERE is the oil drip originating from? You can spray things down with brake cleaner and see where the trail originates from. If it is dripping off of the drain plug, that is the lowest point it can drip from, so that is where it collects. Yet that might NOT be where it started from. You can also wipe things down with a clean paper towel or similar, too. Then a spritz of brake clean to remove the last traces of oil. Then watch it over the next weeks. It MIGHT just be that all you need is a new drain plug gasket!!! That is the easiest and cheapest place to start, too.

Is there not an auto supply near you? THAT would be a good place to start, initially. The brands they carry, generally, will be brands which they have sold which their customers get very good service out of, even if they might not be "name brand" brands or the rices might be a little bit more than an online seller puts on similar items. PLUS, it can get you into a local network of (hopefully) people who know more about cars and things, too, although this can be variable. Even if it might seem that most of these people just know how to follow the prompts of their computer systems rather than good knowledge in their brains, by observation.

Watching YouTube videos can be great for general information. JUST be aware that what they show in that several minute "short" video took hours to film and document. NOT the 45 seconds or so of what is shown!!! Which can raise the question of "How hard can it really be?" LOL

Back in the 1980s, I was going to change the stock 4bbl intake on my '67 383 4bbl to an Edelbrock intake. I looked in the manual to see how much time it might take. No problem! No water to deal or distributor removal. I looked in the FSM to see how to do it. My plan was to do it after dinner each night. Ended up taking me "1 night/flat rate hour" to get it done. And then some as I had to get some linkage adapters and such, too. After it was all done, I was proud of what I had done! Even if it took me most of the week-nights after dinner to get it done. SO, be advised!!!! One issue I had was that the OEM bolt under the throttle spring holder would not tighten up with the new manifold. Swapped bolts of the same length. The one on the other side had no issues, so why did this one? Threads looked fine, BUT a new bolt of the same size went right in and tightened as desired.

Sorry for the length. FIRST clean things and look for where the drops are starting. If all it needs is a new drain plug gasket, change that first! Might not need the whole gasket changed! i I understand your concerns in asking questions. IF it is the oil pan gasket, you might spray it down with brake clean and check the bolt tightness by just snugging things up with wrist torque. Once the oil seep starts, you might slow it down, but not stop it, by observation.

Enjoy!
CBODY67
 
As to oil filter brands, there can be some pitfalls which can be unintended. Several years ago, many brands sold "upgrade" filters with "high-efficienty" filter medias. Who would not want that, and pay more for it? ONLY thing is that you have to know how the medias are tested. Which relates to the SIZE of the particles being filtered out!

Fram got hammered for using cardboard end caps in the 1980s, after the brand was sold by the original company. "Cardboard" certainly is not a finite as the prior stamped steel (and glued to the filter media), for example. All it took was a side-by-side cut-open comparison to see what was better.

For me, the default mode was always filters by an OEM brand, like came on the new cars from the factory. A good blend of price, performance, and "no problems down the road". Backed by hours on engine and chassis dyno time. Massive amounts of actual road-driving miles, followed by engine teardowns afterward. That was good enough for me. Over time, OEM filter media has improved over the years, to me.

When "higher-efficiency" filters were sold, even some by ACDelco, the perception was "better filtering" of smaller particles. Nothing wrong with that! BUT the downside was more filter flow restriction as the media had smaller "holes" in it, which could mean that less total oil was filtered with each pass through the system, which then meant the oil not filtered could be by-passed back knto the oil stream, unfiltered. Something not suspected in the zeal to have better filtration. Which is probably why they were discontinued after several years. They were priced a good bit higher, too. Another factor for the general consumer.

Just some thoughts and observations,
CBODY67
 
Hello,

I'm looking to reseal the oil pan just because it's something I feel I can tackle and would be good on an old car like this. I'm getting a tiny bit of drip but I think it's a bad plug gasket, however I'd like to just clean everything up. Is it as simple as YouTube makes it look?

I have a 73 Polara with the 360la.

I'm considering this gasket
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=2655950&cc=1095476&pt=5436&jsn=10578

These plug gaskets
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=10906940&cc=1095476&pt=5428&jsn=10504

This filter
https://mypartsuniverse.com/en-ca/p...ia6zzzhEujvjWnXcUOh3eAgWCqUGK1YVzrCZuFL9kgTrZ

And 3.75 liters, or as the manual states 3.25 imperial / 4 US quarts of oil. I'll probably go with Castrol high mileage, something not synthetic but good for older engines. Is there anything else that's best to use and is the prescribed amount in the manual the correct amount to use? I'm not into snake oils but in people's experience if there's something that really works best then I'm all ears.

From what I gather I zap the bolts off, they're reusable, set them aside, scrape off both surfaces block and pan, clean pan/ check pan with magnet for metal shavings, apply gasket sealer in a wavy pattern around the holes on the pan surface, applied pan to the block and then tighten down using star pattern, torque to spec.

Anything else? Thank you!

Hello,

I'm looking to reseal the oil pan just because it's something I feel I can tackle and would be good on an old car like this. I'm getting a tiny bit of drip but I think it's a bad plug gasket, however I'd like to just clean everything up. Is it as simple as YouTube makes it look?

I have a 73 Polara with the 360la.

I'm considering this gasket
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=2655950&cc=1095476&pt=5436&jsn=10578

These plug gaskets
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=10906940&cc=1095476&pt=5428&jsn=10504

This filter
https://mypartsuniverse.com/en-ca/p...ia6zzzhEujvjWnXcUOh3eAgWCqUGK1YVzrCZuFL9kgTrZ

And 3.75 liters, or as the manual states 3.25 imperial / 4 US quarts of oil. I'll probably go with Castrol high mileage, something not synthetic but good for older engines. Is there anything else that's best to use and is the prescribed amount in the manual the correct amount to use? I'm not into snake oils but in people's experience if there's something that really works best then I'm all ears.

From what I gather I zap the bolts off, they're reusable, set them aside, scrape off both surfaces block and pan, clean pan/ check pan with magnet for metal shavings, apply gasket sealer in a wavy pattern around the holes on the pan surface, applied pan to the block and then tighten down using star pattern, torque to spec.

Anything else? Thank you!
Remember Murphy's law. Best to start with the drain plug, just snug the pan bolts. You may find you don't need to change your pan gasket.
 
I cannot speak to a small block but on my 440 I had to remove the steering linkage, remove the bolts holding the engine mounts to the frame and jack the engine up enough to clear the oil pickup to remove the pan. Not terribly difficult but wouldn't want to do it if I didn't have to.

As those here already suggested, start with the oil plug gasket if you suspect that is the leak. I have also had very good luck using UV dye and a UV light to track leaks. You might be pleasantly surprised to find it is a leak from something simple like the oil pressure sensor or a valve cover gasket.

Good luck, fluid leaks are my nemesis. I swear the Torqueflight is designed to leak so they can make sure the fluid stays red! :rofl:
 
Thank you all for the sage advice, I think I will clean the area up and determine precisely where the leak is first. I may be pleasantly surprised, fingers crossed. And I hadn't thought of simply giving the pan bolts a little zap with the impact if it is in fact coming from the pan. I will try these things first.

I'm assuming that's 5 US quarts, not imperial quarts, to compensate for the filter, so, 4.7 liters for us Canucks?
 
NO impacgt on the pan bolts!!!! ONLY wrist torque!!!! Otherwise, you stand a very good chance of warping the pan rail, which means it will need to be "straightened" with a hammer against a flat and solid item bEFORE any new pan gasket will seal at all. Leave the impact in the tool chest!!!

CBODY67
 
NO impacgt on the pan bolts!!!! ONLY wrist torque!!!! Otherwise, you stand a very good chance of warping the pan rail, which means it will need to be "straightened" with a hammer against a flat and solid item bEFORE any new pan gasket will seal at all. Leave the impact in the tool chest!!!

CBODY67
Thank you, actually I have access to a torque wrench I'll make sure I look up the spec and only add (manually) half an unga bunga!
 
Wix still made in North Carolina although bought by Mann-Hummel...which was an OE level supplier to VW and is a good quailty filter...Napa Gold USED to be Wix, but they no longer are...I think the last one I bought a was Asian...OReilly's the only place to get real Wix around here
 
The filter you are showing (MOBIL 1 M1-204A) looks like a stubby filter. Don't use a stubby filter. Use a regular length (ie - long length) filter. I tend to call them "Fram PH8A" to describe the size of the filter, because there doesn't seem to be an industry spec for filter size (why not?).

Not too long ago I bought a couple drain plugs:




When I got them, I liked the AGS plug, I'm using it now, zero leakage.
 
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Don't tighten the pan bolts with an impact of you don't want it to leak, do it by hand.

If you replace the pan gasket, get everything very clean. Now use a felpro gasket, only put sealer on the corners where the gaskets meets the rubber end seals. Not all the way down the pan rails at the block.
 
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