moparblood
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whats the difference with the c bodies vs b e and a
length, fit etc.. and what years work with what??
anyone have pics side by side??
length, fit etc.. and what years work with what??
anyone have pics side by side??
C Body 4 speed pedals??
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Loadrunner
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C body clutch/brake pedals rare?
My st C body was a '63 ish 4 door Newport with 361, 3 speed stick on the floor, no power steering or brakes, just power to the rear wheels.
Sadly, it was stolen, crushed, but not before having the engine/trans cut out with a torch, I actually recovered the engine and trans. The tough part was that a "friend" of mine stole it. We were out partying, he was passed out and I left him in the car. He woke up, keys were in the ignition... he started it and left, and then sold it to the guy who cut the engine out of it.
I found another same car years later in the paper, $375, dropped everything, went to look at it and bought it. This is that one.
Manual windows, radio delete, totally stripped down model. You can see the factory shifter hugging the seat in 2nd gear. Toughest 4 dr car I've ever seen, red light bandit, total sleeper. I always wondered if GM/Ford offered stickshift equivalents in their bigger platforms lower end offerings?
Can you image a Caddy with stick on the floor from the factory?
I think not.
My st C body was a '63 ish 4 door Newport with 361, 3 speed stick on the floor, no power steering or brakes, just power to the rear wheels.
Sadly, it was stolen, crushed, but not before having the engine/trans cut out with a torch, I actually recovered the engine and trans. The tough part was that a "friend" of mine stole it. We were out partying, he was passed out and I left him in the car. He woke up, keys were in the ignition... he started it and left, and then sold it to the guy who cut the engine out of it.
I found another same car years later in the paper, $375, dropped everything, went to look at it and bought it. This is that one.
Manual windows, radio delete, totally stripped down model. You can see the factory shifter hugging the seat in 2nd gear. Toughest 4 dr car I've ever seen, red light bandit, total sleeper. I always wondered if GM/Ford offered stickshift equivalents in their bigger platforms lower end offerings?
Can you image a Caddy with stick on the floor from the factory?
I think not.
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Loadrunner
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I've never heard of or seen another one of these, but found 2 in the same town 20 years apart, so they couldn't have been all that rare.
For what car and year do you want to know...
moparblood
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any year, all years, whats interchangeable?
should b or e bodies be lengthen to what,etc..
should b or e bodies be lengthen to what,etc..
The issue with power brakes is the amount of mechanical leverage built into the architecture, related to pivot points on the pedal. Possibly all of the manual trans cars have very similar pivot points and such?
"Motor Trend" did some road tests of "base cars" in about 1963, which included a Newport 3-speed manual transmission car. With the floor shift. Similar Plymouths and Dodges had a bit more space between the steering wheel and the instrument panel to support a column shift, it seems.
MT also did a muscle car test of base models with 3-speed manual transmissions. Interesting how close the gear ratios were in the '71 Super Bee 383, between the 3-spd manual and the TF!
Full-size Buicks, plus similar Oldsmobiles and Pontiacs all came with a 3-speed transmission as standard equipment. Even factory 4-speeds in the middle 1960s. But by that time, the modern 3-speed automatics were the "standard option" for most up-scale oriented buyers of those times.
Being that the vast majority of Buicks were sold with DynaFlows, the manual 3-speed cars were quite the performer . . . less power consumption and more gears than the DF had. BUT, putting a clutch in a torquie-tube car is something not to cause from "enjoying the power".
Enjoy!
CBODY67
"Motor Trend" did some road tests of "base cars" in about 1963, which included a Newport 3-speed manual transmission car. With the floor shift. Similar Plymouths and Dodges had a bit more space between the steering wheel and the instrument panel to support a column shift, it seems.
MT also did a muscle car test of base models with 3-speed manual transmissions. Interesting how close the gear ratios were in the '71 Super Bee 383, between the 3-spd manual and the TF!
Full-size Buicks, plus similar Oldsmobiles and Pontiacs all came with a 3-speed transmission as standard equipment. Even factory 4-speeds in the middle 1960s. But by that time, the modern 3-speed automatics were the "standard option" for most up-scale oriented buyers of those times.
Being that the vast majority of Buicks were sold with DynaFlows, the manual 3-speed cars were quite the performer . . . less power consumption and more gears than the DF had. BUT, putting a clutch in a torquie-tube car is something not to cause from "enjoying the power".
Enjoy!
CBODY67
Loadrunner
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OMG I have to find that road test.
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in the parts cars section I have a post of parting out a 1968 fury 3. That has some pictures, showing some pedals. I might get to pull them as car is in a junkyard, but it may be several week. This fury is a 3 speed on the column. 1 member has expressed interest.
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I could watch this all day with a grin ;]
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You haven't stated your goal but I'll assume it's to find 'easier' pedals to do a MT conversion?
I've bought and sold probably 5-7 sets of C-body 4-speed pedals over the last 20 years, MB and PB, but only for Slabs - never ran across a Fusey set - they are SUPER rare.
Slab and Fusey pedals are different.
As someone mentioned, Slab pedals differ between MB and PB.
I don't know if there's a magic-bullet of A,B or E-body pedals that would work.
Slab pedals mount only to the firewall, and will use standard mtg patterns of brake booster or 4-bolt master cylinder - so in that regard, some other stuff might bolt in.
But how well it will work, for where the pedals hit your feet, and the amount of travel, is a variable.
Some Z-bars have longer throws, and that allows a short-travel clutch pedal to have more travel at the clutch fork.
Do a-mix-n-match, if it doesn't work you'll have an oddball that will be hard to diagnose over the internet with anybody.
Fusey pedals, from photos I've seen, mount to the dashboard frame also.
E-body pedals seem to have a really large bracket that ties to the dash.
A-bodies are so tiny that I would be surprised it they would work.
64-67 B-body might be the best bet?
And clutch pedals for all classic cars are pretty pricey - you're not gonna save any money unless you get lucky. And is the $2-300 you might save worth the potential aggravation, esp when converting to a MT is a lot of work and generally a $2000+ project?
I've bought and sold probably 5-7 sets of C-body 4-speed pedals over the last 20 years, MB and PB, but only for Slabs - never ran across a Fusey set - they are SUPER rare.
Slab and Fusey pedals are different.
As someone mentioned, Slab pedals differ between MB and PB.
I don't know if there's a magic-bullet of A,B or E-body pedals that would work.
Slab pedals mount only to the firewall, and will use standard mtg patterns of brake booster or 4-bolt master cylinder - so in that regard, some other stuff might bolt in.
But how well it will work, for where the pedals hit your feet, and the amount of travel, is a variable.
Some Z-bars have longer throws, and that allows a short-travel clutch pedal to have more travel at the clutch fork.
Do a-mix-n-match, if it doesn't work you'll have an oddball that will be hard to diagnose over the internet with anybody.
Fusey pedals, from photos I've seen, mount to the dashboard frame also.
E-body pedals seem to have a really large bracket that ties to the dash.
A-bodies are so tiny that I would be surprised it they would work.
64-67 B-body might be the best bet?
And clutch pedals for all classic cars are pretty pricey - you're not gonna save any money unless you get lucky. And is the $2-300 you might save worth the potential aggravation, esp when converting to a MT is a lot of work and generally a $2000+ project?
RemCharger
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Figure out what kind of car you have, and get the correct pedals for it .
Or am I missing something here?
Or am I missing something here?
SGT FURY
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I have seen 3 other 63 Newports with floor shift
A parts 4dr at Big M auto wreckers
A 4dr at a demolition derby where the guy would bring it back year after year because something would break in the linkage when the motor moved around.
A 2dr Newport on local CL was being parted,but I was too late.
I have also seen about 3 F/S on internet overtime.
Question- how far off are manual pedals from a Forward look car to 65 newer pedals?
They are fairly easy to come by?
1970FuryConv
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Some friend! Damn. I hope you found a convenient tire iron and hit him hard.
RemCharger
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Nothing is interchangeable
Figure out what your car is and get the right pedals.
Rule of thumb for '60s-'70s: the later the car the more seldom you'll see a manual transmission.
Loadrunner
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He actually did a little time, after I found out where he was hiding through the grapevine and got him arrested, which saved him from a lynch mob of Mopar friends of mine. The courts said I'd get $600 restitution but of course I never saw a dime.
I saw him on a test drive one day and stupidly pulled over and after expressing myself he grabbed a big rock and threw it at my head as I was walking away, I heard a swoosh through the air, turned, looked, ducked aside otherwise I wouldn't be here now.
The guy who had my engine and trans was a local racer out in the valley who had an ancient rear engined dragster. Last I saw the car it was just slightly over kneehigh in the back of this old recycling yard, they let me go through the trunk and retrieve my belongings, what was left anyway.
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'65-'68 Slab pedals; note the pedal pivots are on 2 different plains meaning this is for power brakes:
'69-'71 Fusy pedals; note the pedal pivots are on the same plain meaning this is for manual brakes:
Power brake Fusy clutch pedals are a unicorn. I have only ever seen one car supposedly equipped as such and it was in Europe.
'69-'71 Fusy pedals; note the pedal pivots are on the same plain meaning this is for manual brakes:
Power brake Fusy clutch pedals are a unicorn. I have only ever seen one car supposedly equipped as such and it was in Europe.
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