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  1. Fratzog

    Fratzog Old Man with a Hat

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    No BS???? OK I'll play....
     
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    My wife and I have received both doses of Covid Vaccine.
    It was a relief for me as I'm around many who refuse to wear masks. It came as no surprise that some of them now have the virus or their family members have contracted it.
    Since politics, racism and such are not allowed here but are allowed in the general forum of the FBBO forum of which I'm currently banned, again, I have to temper my opinions but what I can say is this
    I read and evaluate but I also deal in real life interactions. I go to a excellent well respected cardiologist, I'm aquatinted with him outside of his practice. Last April he contracted Covid as a result of caring for Covid patients in the hospital. He was very sick and did everything possible to stay out of the hospital. He did recover and as soon as he was able he was pressed back into service, seeing Covid patents that were hospitalised.
    I can assure anyone Covid was real and hospitals were at the maximum plus at that time.
    He told me he was so exhausted and weak from battling Covid himself, when he could get a break, he go to his office and sleep on a couch for a couple of hours, get up and go back to the hospital.
    When I saw him in June he was drawn and his hair was noticeable whiter.
    This was a guy who could run ten miles as easy as I can walk around the block. He told me he couldn't do a mile now. He told me everyday he went home he needed to nap before eating
    My brother saw him the other day and was shocked at how he looked
    Forget the politics, take care of your health and don't get sick. Do what's good for you and don't knock me for what I choose to do and I won't knock you
    I don't want to see anyone here get sick.
    I believe the end of Covid is within sight and hopefully we can put this all behind us
    that's all
     
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    awesome! great that you were both able to get it and now you're both safe, probably, considering T cells, for life. great also that it was with an mRNA vac vs. that almost worthless J+J thing that they're going to start pushing.
     
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    Why do you say the J/J is worthless?
     
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  7. Fratzog

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    Why worthless?
     
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    almost worthless. protects against death and severe cases of covid-19 which is definitely worth something, but doesn't protect well against infection, mild or asymptomatic cases and doesn't work well for people over 60 with comorbidities (those most at risk). upload_2021-3-4_18-0-8.png prevention of death in the study group 100%: upload_2021-3-4_18-2-31.png still, if they put three shots on the table and asked me to pick one, i'd go with moderna. https://www.fda.gov/media/146219/download https://www.fda.gov/media/146218/download
     
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    I'm with you on that - this mRNA was lurking in the background, (what I read somewhere), waiting on an emergency situation like we have now and they used that emergency status to bring a previously untried/unproven process to fruition. I'm not saying everything new is bad, but I do like that something like this has at least some track record if only for the process.
     
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    i see eighty million doses in the U.S. as fast becoming proven technology. upload_2021-3-4_18-24-46.png COVID-19 vaccine doses administered
     
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    Over a timeline of how many months vs how many years for more traditional vaccines? It's likely good and will probably gain widespread approvals, but I'm not feeling all that guinea pig - like.
     
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    You will only need them in certain states shortly. Probably not ones anyone cares to visit. Due to the fact you are more likely to be shot then getting covid in them
     
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    I see 3 months. Can we talk in 3 years?
     
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    My wife and I like to travel. We have our eye on an eastern Mediterranean cruise. Everything points to some kind of certification being required. Ideally it will be a hard copy that can be stapled to a passport rather than a phone app. If I have to get jabbed I'll stick with the proven technology.
     
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    Full stop. You guys really fell for this? :realcrazy:
     
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    Fratzog Old Man with a Hat

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    Addressing the issue of whether a virus is actually a "life form" is well beyond my pay scale but it seems there is some debate among experts.
    Are viruses alive?
     
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    I'm well aware, but in this context; we've been told to sanitize, sterilize, use alcohol to "kill" the virus. So how do you "kill" what's not alive? How does something not alive mutate?

    It just struck me, how can you read this and not see the non sequitur of the two messages? My :bs_flag:meter went off the scale.

    I'm sure you saw in your search John's Hopkins disavows this came from them.
     
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    I agree with you. My sense is the issue is a distraction.
     
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