Fury Pursuit
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One of none…but it’s pictured in the options catalog.
Where is this car today?
Where is this car today?
Factory 1963 300J 4-speed
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commando1
Old Man with a Hat
This?
3 on the floor?
3 on the floor?
They're out there. Here's a picture of a 61 or 62 with the 3 speed floor shifted manual.
@Fury Pursuit Your thread title says Factory 1963 300J 4 speed. Where does it say that is a 4 speed trans in fig. 18? The 300J specs in post number 2 list the optional trans as a 3 speed with performance linkage.
There was a member here with a screen name 300j4speed, or something like that. His name was Lynn and he has passed on. He was a longtime 300 and forward look enthusiast. He was asked about his car which he converted a 4 speed. He said they never made any in a 4 speed.
1960 300F specials came with the French 4 speed.
1961 300G 3 speed only (pictured in post 3)
IF they did make a 4 speed car prior to 1964, whose gearbox would they use? Chrysler didn’t have their own 4 speed until 1964. 1963 B-body uses a T10 for the 4 speed.
The Chrysler 300 club International had been around since 1970 and several of the charter members are still active. They have been all over this stuff since then. They don’t acknowledge any 4 speeds available in 1963.
There was a member here with a screen name 300j4speed, or something like that. His name was Lynn and he has passed on. He was a longtime 300 and forward look enthusiast. He was asked about his car which he converted a 4 speed. He said they never made any in a 4 speed.
1960 300F specials came with the French 4 speed.
1961 300G 3 speed only (pictured in post 3)
IF they did make a 4 speed car prior to 1964, whose gearbox would they use? Chrysler didn’t have their own 4 speed until 1964. 1963 B-body uses a T10 for the 4 speed.
The Chrysler 300 club International had been around since 1970 and several of the charter members are still active. They have been all over this stuff since then. They don’t acknowledge any 4 speeds available in 1963.
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Pete Kaczmarski
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my '62 300 Sport Convertible with factory 3-speed manual transmission (confirmed by Chrysler Historical Services)
DCMC
Active Member
I saw a 65 4 speed 300 non letter. P/S, P/B, radio delete.
fury fan
Senior Member
IIRC, Murray Park has a non-letter 65 4-speed in a 4-door.
What we need to remember, to avoid clouding the waters here is that the original poster is referring to 63-64 issue 300s. 60-02 and 65 and up are completely different animals, and my apologies, as I may have contributed to potential confusion by saying "they're out there", when clearly now there were only 3 speeds offered for 63, with what is shown of the print material in this thread. There is lots of evidence that the new for 65 C body platform produced a number of 4 speeds (I happen to own a 66 4 speed car, nearly identical in this respect to a 65), and there were a rare handful of Pont-a-Mousson 4 speed equipped 62 300s, but that primarily those that were equipped with floor shifted manual transmissions were 3 speed cars for 60 - 62.
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Fury Pursuit
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I’ll try again…
One of None….
1963 300J 4-Speed. FOC, or Factory Options Catalog, lists a 4-Speed as an option, and shows a photo of the option in the car.
Where is this car today?
Factory records show:
0 four speeds built in 1963 300J
(sans one option car)
84 four speeds built in 1964 300K
(50 hard tops & 34 convertibles)
Where is the option car? Has anyone seen it?
One of None….
1963 300J 4-Speed. FOC, or Factory Options Catalog, lists a 4-Speed as an option, and shows a photo of the option in the car.
Where is this car today?
Factory records show:
0 four speeds built in 1963 300J
(sans one option car)
84 four speeds built in 1964 300K
(50 hard tops & 34 convertibles)
Where is the option car? Has anyone seen it?
I'd be interested in seeing the FOC you describe in print, as I only see the picture, and 3 speed manual info. That picture could well be of a 3-speed manual equipped car since I would expect both the four speed and the three speed to look identical except perhaps for a shift knob with the imprinted shift pattern...
Fury Pursuit
Senior Member
Nope…different shifters, hence the question.
Interesting - pics of the print stuff? I'm intrigued.
fury fan
Senior Member
If you're asking 'where is the car in the factory photo', that car might not have really existed.
It could have been mocked up with the shifter handle affixed to something, especially due to those shifters being external to the console, and with a pushbutton delete panel installed.
Could've been an actual stick-shift 361 Newport with 300 seats/doorpanels thrown on for the photo.
It is also possible some airbrushing occurred to make that photo. (the photo to the right shows an AT brake pedal, although the remiander looks the same)
That publication (and the marketing dept in general) surely didn't have objectives intended to withstand with our investigative scrutiny 50+ years in the future.
Could've also been an engineering mule that was reconfigured as needed for special projects and didn't remain in any particular configuration on a permanent basis.
Or maybe we're just seeing the optional 'performance shift linkage'?
It could have been mocked up with the shifter handle affixed to something, especially due to those shifters being external to the console, and with a pushbutton delete panel installed.
Could've been an actual stick-shift 361 Newport with 300 seats/doorpanels thrown on for the photo.
It is also possible some airbrushing occurred to make that photo. (the photo to the right shows an AT brake pedal, although the remiander looks the same)
That publication (and the marketing dept in general) surely didn't have objectives intended to withstand with our investigative scrutiny 50+ years in the future.
Could've also been an engineering mule that was reconfigured as needed for special projects and didn't remain in any particular configuration on a permanent basis.
Or maybe we're just seeing the optional 'performance shift linkage'?
Somewhere between 1985 and 1987, I saw a 300 K with a factory 4-spped. It came through the console as did the L. Looked killer!
Rustyrodknocker
Senior Member
I dont think I have ever seen a floor shift car where the shifter was not in the console.
Seems bazzar
Seems bazzar
commando1
Old Man with a Hat
I know with the French transmission, the shifter came out of a small bubble that was attached to the side of the hump.
no it didn’t, it came right out the top of the console.
1969 300 F special 400 horsepower.
1960 Chrysler 300F Special 2-Door | S132 | Monterey 2010 | Mecum Auctions
commando1
Old Man with a Hat
Thank you for the clarification and the proof.
So, now I'm confused.
What tranny was I thinking about.
Pete Kaczmarski
Senior Member
No, the French manual came out of the center console, my 3-speed manual in the '62 was off the center. And the shifter boots are very expensive if you can even find one.
commando1
Old Man with a Hat
Thanks.
So it was the three spd. on the floor that had that weird tack-on.
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