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Please help me decode this tag I know gb2 is the color code but what does everything else mean?

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B41 is front disc brakes
V5X is black body side moldings
V1X is black vinyl roof
R13 is high powered AM radio
L31 is hood or fender turn signals
GB2 is Glacial blue metallic
G2X9 Not sure about the G but 2 is vinyl bench and X9 is black
B10 is Tuesday November 10th
E57 is 360 2bbl
D32 is 727 auto trans
2 door hardtop Chrysler.
 

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B41 is front disc brakes
V5X is black body side moldings
V1X is black vinyl roof
R13 is high powered AM radio
L31 is hood or fender turn signals
GB2 is Glacial blue metallic
G2X9 Not sure about the G but 2 is vinyl bench and X9 is black
B10 is Tuesday November 10th
E57 is 360 2bbl
D32 is 727 auto trans
2 door hardtop Chrysler.
I had found most of them but thank you some of those I still couldn’t find out about, so your saying my car was built November 10th and I’m guessing in the year 1970 as 71 production would turn into 72 production by September of 71 correct
 

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B41 is front disc brakes
(...)
R13 is high powered AM radio
(...)
G2X9 Not sure about the G but 2 is vinyl bench and X9 is black
B10 is Tuesday November 10th

Let me complete the info helpfully posted by @detmatt earlier today and fully decode CE23K1C152299's fender tag:

C: Chrysler
E: Economy (Newport Royal -- E was used for Newports till the Royals came along, see here for more info)

23: 2-Door Hardtop

K: 360 cid 2-barrel V8
1: 1971 (Model Year)
C: Jefferson Avenue, MI, USA

152299: Sequence number

E57: 360 cid 2-barrel V8
D32: Automatic Transmission

GB2: Glacial Blue Exterior Color
G2X9: Trim - Low, Vinyl Bench Seats, Black (the reason why Matt could not find a link to that trim on the helpful Hamtramck Library is that the Royal is a late addition to the 1971 Newport lineup, and the G trim is special to the Newport Royal -- see here for details and links to photos of what G1 and G2 trims look like)

000: Full Door Frames

B10: Build Date = November 10, 1970 (Edit: Scheduled build date, as noted by @69CoronetRT )

173800: Order number

R13: Deluxe AM Radio (5 1/2 Watts)

L31: Hood/Fender Mounted Turn Signals (in the case of a Royal, the repeaters are on the fender tops)

V1X: Full Vinyl Top, Black

B41: Power Front Disc Brakes

V5Y: Body Side Molding Inserts, Black


Two additional comments:

1. See here for the tag of another 1971 Newport Royal, owner by @IronClad

2. If you look at the various threads about your car in the past 2-3 years (you can see before/after pics here), you'll see that BOTH the "Newport" and "Royal" front-fender side scripts that were on your car (see this brochure to se what they look like) have disappeared over the course of the last few years.

--> 2.a. I think the part number for the "Royal" appliqué is P/N 361 3640 -- I would start hunting for them, as 2dr Royals are few to survive AFAICT. Luckily, they seem available from @marty mopar (a vendor whom I recommend super-highly: he knows his stuff, has extremely reasonable prices, and has reliable and fast turnaround):


Marty had posted about the scripts here, so you can check the looks. I am not sure about the Newport three-pronged script.

--> 2.b. I think that the Newport fender script is P/N 260 5362. According to a 2018 post by Marty, 2605362 is the same as P/N 3613641. He has the latter in stock too -- see here:

 
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All the fender tag tells us is the car was SCHEDULED for November 10th. There is nothing present to show what day the car was actually built. The car could have been built days or weeks before or after that date.
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And I take issue with this:

000: Full Door Frames

Whatever the decoders say, on our C-bodies this code only appears on hardtops that never have a frame around the door window. With other body styles, this code indicates an interior color.
As hardtops have nowhere to put that interior color, for them the slot is useless. So the meaning is

000: Upper Door Frame Color Not Applicable
 

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And I take issue with this:

000: Full Door Frames

Whatever the decoders say, on our C-bodies this code only appears on hardtops that never have a frame around the door window. With other body styles, this code indicates an interior color.
As hardtops have nowhere to put that interior color, for them the slot is useless. So the meaning is

000: Upper Door Frame Color Not Applicable
That is an interesting take, and I mean this in a good way.

This said, I am puzzled by how you reconcile the above claim that the '000' code "only appears on hardtops that never have a frame around the door window" with your 2021 post in which you hypothesized that:

"Initially, only 2-door hardtops got "000", other body styles show a color code there. As of 1974, also 4-door hardtops get '000' (...) I admit that I am having some trouble explaining the 1971-1973 situation."

It would be helpful to know if the "Upper Door Frame Color Not Applicable" is your interpretation or if you found it in some period source too?
 

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The trouble with the 1971-1973 situation remains, of course. Maybe a case of pure inertia?

I think when the slot was introduced it was about saying whether the door panels reached all the way up to the window base or not. When they didn't, the upper door part not covered by the panel needed to be painted. That's what the original meaning "Full Door Panels" was coined for. In that case you didn't need paint.

1969-and-up C-bodies always have full door panels (correct me when I'm wrong) so explicitly saying "Full Door Panels" makes little sense. Combining the "000" code only with hardtops yields the new meaning "UDF Color Not Applicable".

It's my own conclusion. I do not know of any piece of written information to confirm this.
 

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That sure calls for some rethinking! Your example is a police car. How does it look on the inside?
 

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That's a very interesting lead! Here are some pictures from that thread:

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There are also some thoughts in that thread about body style code 21 vs. 23:

It won't have rear window cranks because it is a coupe not a hardtop.
The "21" in the VIN indicates it.

Carsten

Ahhh,makes sense. I have had a couple 23 b bodies, and older sedans with obvious b pillars. From looking at it, I called it a hard top. I guess I assumed a couple would have more of a pillar. Dang, didnt even pay attention the 21 staring me in the face. I knew that. Thanks

Apart from the thin B pillar also the missing window frames make above car look like a hardtop. You can also see the full-height door panels. The "000" code on the fender tag comes from the UDF Color slot in Line 2 on the broadcast sheet. So it says something about color, in this case about its absence, because there is nowhere to put it.
 

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It would be helpful to know if the "Upper Door Frame Color Not Applicable" is your interpretation or if you found it in some period source too?

The broadcast sheet in the previous post could serve as the period source you were asking about. Why on earth would ChryCo put information on door panels in the slot for the Upper Door Frame Color?

Come to think of it, it is the person who first circulated the meaning "Full Door Panels" that needs to explain himself.
 

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The broadcast sheet in the previous post could serve as the period source you were asking about. Why on earth would ChryCo put information on door panels in the slot for the Upper Door Frame Color?

Come to think of it, it is the person who first circulated the meaning "Full Door Panels" that needs to explain himself.
Nice pirouette. Perhaps you can track that person and find out where he got that info?

My imperfectly-informed conclusion: 000 could mean "nothing needed" (your take) or it could mean "whatever there is to cover, will be fully covered, so it is a full door panel" (the "Full Door Panels" take).
 

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I have only been at the convertible thing for a little bit but have seen a similar thing on the tags
On the 69 tags there are paint codes for the body, the roof and the interior (not sure what gets this paint).

Here is my tag, it has both the body code and the roof code, typical of most cars painted one color.
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Then there is Martin's tag, it only has the body code
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I agree that the 000 is probably a null code for the interior paint as that is the position of the code on the tag and interior paint wasn't needed.


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I have only been at the convertible thing for a little bit but have seen a similar thing on the tags
On the 69 tags there are paint codes for the body, the roof and the interior (not sure what gets this paint).

Here is my tag, it has both the body code and the roof code, typical of most cars painted one color.
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Then there is Martin's tag, it only has the body code
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I agree that the 000 is probably a null code for the interior paint as that is the position of the code on the tag and interior paint wasn't needed.


Alan

What was coded, when it was coded and where it was coded on the tag changes year to year, plant to plant and even during the year.

V3* Coding on Belvedere tags was added about the middle of October. At this point, both top and bottom paint codes are also coded.
The first paint code was dropped from convertible tags about early to mid March.

Therefore, there is 'early', 'middle' and 'late' coding to 69 Belvedere convertible tags.

Details like this help 'out' bad/fake tags.

Questions/topics like this is why it's important to save tags, broadcast sheets, window stickers and other documents from cars existing and parted.
 
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