I bet more states are doing this

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  1. '69FuryIIIConvertible

    '69FuryIIIConvertible Senior Member FCBO Gold Member

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    That my first thought as well.... It only works bon OBDII compliant vehicles, that means they will only be able to get 2 of our 9 lol
     
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    Dave, I agree with your comment 100% about Apple not cooperating with providing info, I was just expanding it to how "watched" we really are. As for trips to Duncan Donuts, they will eventually foward that info to your medical insurance carrier so they can raise your rates because you have become a cardiac patient risk due to all the caffeine, sugar and deep fried donut grease being ingested. Maine DOT made that clear when they stated, it was not just about miles driven, but "the intent of the destination".
     
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  3. Joseph James

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    Years ago, I watched Bill O Reilly interview a guy selling his urine for drug tests. The guys main point was that urine tests could be used to find health problems in people for insurance companies. Bill has his mic cut off, which was crappy.
     
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    Here in the UK most of the price of fuel is government tax. Therefore over here we are in effect already being taxed according to how far we drive. We have cameras on red lights, also in London on junctions where you not allowed to loiter in the central part while trying to turn. Also cameras on bus lanes which only allow cars in at certain times of the day. Motorway services only allow 2h parking - regulated and fined via automated number plate recognition cameras. Congestion charges in some cities with automated fines for non payment via number plate recognition. They are just the ones that immediately come to mind. Automated speed cameras and automated average speed cameras.
    Also independent specialist classic car insurers often "exit" by being bought up by mainstream insurers who keep the name but you see your premium jump up - not the sort of healthy business competition that is supposed to happen benefitting the consumer at all.
     
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  5. 300rag

    300rag Grumpy Old Man With a Hat FCBO Gold Member

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    Seems like the way that Progressive Ins. got their foot in the door with customers was some sort of monitoring where the car spent its time, where it went, and such. WAY back then. As a result, many senior citizens on fixed incomes, who didn't drive much, saved a lot of money. Insurance rates are based on perceived perils the vehicle might encounter, which also relates to the zip code of residence. that was YEARS ago.

    The OnStar service has expanded to the vehicle notifications too. It CAN track a vehicle that's been stolen, with law enforcement intervention and supplied badge numbers. Works pretty slick. The vehicle can also be disabled as it's being used, with appropriate voice notifications to the driver.

    As with existing Terms of Use for Internet providers, the law enforcement operatives have to supply a search warrant before the provider can/will provide law enforcement with ANYTHING. In the case of voice communications on stolen vehicles, a badge number and name is required, so there's a paper trail of who made the request.

    There have been a few cases where law enforcement put tracking devices on vehicles of suspected drug dealers in order to gain evidence against them. That practice has been struck down by the courts, as I recall.

    Vehicle tracking of company vehicles is a pretty common situation these days. The company operatives CAN and DO monitor the movement of their employees, as they might desire. Might get them less expensive company insurance, too? One phone employee complained that his serice order would have one address, but the problem was at another address, which he had to explain.

    Consider how many GPS-operated nav systems are out there today. How many computers (and cost thereof) would it take to track EVERYBODY as a matter of course? Who's going to pay for all of that??

    Don't forget about license plate scanners many law enforcement agencies now have. Or the many video cameras on the sidewalks of many cities of the world. Leave your cell phone all o the time? It communicates to the nearest cell tower periodically, which can be triangulated and tracked by law enforcement operatives.

    "Privacy" is not nearly what it used to be, even 30 years ago. Can't blame it on ONE particular political party, either! Blame it on US for wanting the protection and safety of others knowing where we are and where we're going (maps, verbal driving instructions, accident notifications).

    You can probably opt out of the vehicle notifications after the "free period".

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    The issue of "miles driven" for insurance policy premiums have come up in TX for a few legislatures now. Never got anywhere. Might have gotten out of committee, but not any farther, probably. I don't recall that anybody could reliably find a way to monitor it by the insurers.

    But with CARFAX and others harvesting data from vehicle repair locations, including mileage at the time the service (and state inspections!) are done, that should cover LOTS of vehicles with little effort. Each authorized state inspection station has a computer that's linked to the state's main computer, so the data is already there. Plus whether or not the vehicle passed the applicable emissions tests!

    As full-electric vehicles don't require any gasoline to fuel them, many states are considering how to make up that lost gas tax revenue. Revenue to help fix roads, for example.

    Just like legislating the end of ethanol'd fuels won't happen either. E10+ takes more fuel to move the vehicles down the road, so legislating the removal of ethanol would similarly cost the states money from lost gas tax revenue (less gallons used).

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  8. 70bigblockdodge

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    There is literally no way you could reduce your rate, unless you already have sky high rates and or you drive around in a parking lot with nobody around. As long as traffic is present you cannot control your driving to attain their goals
     
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    I don't have a problem with this.... I worked on a lot of road construction projects, live... on the road, and people that speed through these zones are idiots!

    I've seen a lot of close calls! One of these got the job shut down when a drunk plowed through 15 road cones, plowed through a sign board with an arrow and came to rest 500 feet down I 76 in King of Prussia.

    If you are ever behind a guy doing the speed limit with 20 cars or trucks behind me in PA, the leader is probably me. Sorry, but I've been there.
     
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    To preface, I absolutely hate everything related to Apple... Now, here are some hard-to-swallow pills...

    Apple has agreed to help recover any data on the phones.

    Apple refuses to provide Uncle Sam with a permanent in-place backdoor security option that would allow them to access locked/private data on ALL iPhones. .GOV is getting all the data possible from the phone via Apple, but they want to be able to get to the data on any Apple product without having to go through Apple, which would lead to an exploit, and once compromised- everyone and their mother will have access to your data on your phone- not just Big Brother.
     
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    polara71 Old Man with a Hat

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    IF IF that is whasts going on then great news..... I would prefer it exactly the path they have chosen.
     
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    Hoo-Ray for regulations and BigBrother!
    It means use the modern tin for getting groceries and going to work. It’s an incentive for all of us to drive our non-computerized dinosaurs more, and leave our damn cell phones at home!! Totally 70’s !!! Let’s all guzzle as much gas as we can with these high emission
    V-8’s. Yippieeee !!!! (And flip Flo the tall man when you fly past her in her Prius!)
     
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    that is me going to or coming home from work or any where else i go
     
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    Ditto. I have manual drums. I don’t fly or ride someone’s a**.
     
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    Remember, we "Can't fix stupid". But we can better monitor it via the electronics in newer vehicles . . . AFTER the fact, usually. Even watch it later in many cases! GoPro and related video devices. Even police body-cam and dash-cam videos!

    There was a segment of Hulk Hogan's reality show where he was monitoring his daughter and her boy friend as they went somewhere. A way of keeping things "honest"? When she was exceeding the speed limit, he called her to tell her to slow down, which she did. Using his own private tracking device he'd put on her car, which she knew about.

    Ever wonder how the particular pop-up ads on your computer are determined FOR YOU? Online "surveillance" by the Internet providers of individual search history is one. Cell phone location data (similar to the 9-1-1 call tracking) monitor the movements of your cell phone's locations can determine which pop-up ads you get on your phone. Until all of THAT information is de-monetized, it'll continue to generate big profits for those that can sell it. Which also makes the services "free to us", or makes them cost less.

    There was an NPR program on the tracking of cell phone location data in NYC. NOT to track individuals' movements, but to track POPULATION movements toward certain businesses and such. Which could impact future planning of infrastructure to better support these movements. Seems like there are some filters to see what various demographics are involved in these things, too. Things which marketers can use and analyze, plus governmental planners, too.

    ALL of this has been around far too long for it to go away anytime in the future. A different version of George Orwell's "1984", just several decades later with other actors collecting and seeking the accumulated data.

    Enjoy!
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    LoL!!! Everything you guys hate is peanuts compared to the new 5G when it finally hits. Supposed to tie it all up in one little package. Your ID, your movement, your vehicle, your credit, pretty much everything you do. They explained all this to us at work. 5G ain’t faster it’s a bigger collection of tied assets.

    I hate this stuff and Caterpillar has such a big push to install this gps/tattletale/shackles whatever you want to call it on everything. Say an operator “coasts in neutral” and he gets in trouble. Never mind we all know on the ground he’s parking the machine in the wheel ditch and letting it settle to the lowest point IN neutral. It’s all so some goon can make money and drive the behavior they want. The machine alerts me (keep in mind I don’t even work for the machine owner...), our condition monitoring group (dealer level), caterpillar inc and every boss that operator has in his food chain. The only saving grace is right now it all runs on human interface to solve the problems. Their ain’t enough people to crunch the data. We all joke at work about being screwed once skynet takes over.
     
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    Big brother is not to blame. You are to blame. People wanted cell phones. Then they wanted smart phones. They wanted smart phones that do everything. Consumers created the demand based on their desires and the market provided the technology and you the door. People could have said no but they didn't as convenience was top priority. I'm sure many will love 5G whereas I see 5G as too invasive and in a way dangerous so not ever for me. When I am out driving my cell phone is always "off" as I tolerate no distractions although mine is kind of hard to track. Mine has only been on twice this past week for less than 15 minutes.
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    Yes, you are to blame like it or not...
     
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    I nor anyone else is asking to be tracked, followed or profiled. I dont want algorithms , Cookies or anything else that follows my tendencies like YOUR computer and mine does or cell phones or these new vehicles do. NO! I nor anyone else is to blame except the government, insurance companies, lawyers , lobbyists, computer companies and companies that pay for this stuff. I am none of those, I want to be left alone , once again YOU are incorrect.
     
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