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  1. Carmine

    Carmine Senior Member

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    Continuing the thread that started going way off the rails thread...

    Down the coast, J-body style

    But unlike the useless bratty rich white kids surrounding us, this dude was a Mexican with actual tools. When his jump box didn't cut it (I suspect it was suspect), he just started pulling the battery out of his own car, barrio-style. With this the mighty-Mirada fired up and we swapped our batteries. I shoved a fitty in his shirt pocket as he was leaned over replacing his battery.

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    Thank you for posting that incident. Your experience matches what I continually see out here in terms of Mexicans who go out of their way to be responsible, capable and decent individuals while many of the white guys are useless and couldn't care less
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    Like any stereotype, they're broad brush strokes. I don't think you'll ever see me running down any particular group as "the problem". On the this issue, it's obviously in the news because our President has actually addressed it, vs. just kicking everything down the road like every leader before him.

    So it's fitting to quote what he said that kicked it all off: “They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

    Now some people absolutely wet their pants over this, but two things occurred in my head when heard it.

    1) it stuck me as exactly the same way most normal people (i.e., non-political) speak. Here is something bad... "Lean burn is garbage..." and then you recall some mitigating factor "...I mean, they were trying to do the right thing..."

    2) it was a less-polished version of what my friend and boss (last name Gutiérrez) was telling me 18 years earlier at the Arizona Proving Grounds... Essentially the Mexican Government uses the United States as a dumping grounds.

    Yes, many hard working, good and decent people do come across trying to escape a corrupted Mexican Government; just as you might find a '73 Monaco body tossed out for scrap. But allowing an un-vetted flow across the border isn't solving a problem either. Do you think the Democrats would be throwing their arms around them if they were all devout anti-abortion Catholics? Would the US Chamber of Commerce give a rat's a$$ if they were all demanding a "living wage"?

    That's why this issue has been brushed aside for 40+ years.
     
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  2. Carmine

    Carmine Senior Member

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    ...and yes, all the while more and more of our 3rd, 4th, 5th generations of natural born citizens have become ever more unskilled, useless, entitled and averse to working.

    But that isn't any more universally true than a Mexican stereotype. We have some young people right on this board who don't fit that model. If you asked me "who is the most skilled TIG welder/fabricator you know who plows his Chrysler paychecks into real estate flips?" it would be a 25 y/o white kid named "Jake".

    None of these exceptions to stereotypes should prevent/distract our society from trying to solve problems.
     
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  3. crv

    crv Senior Member

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    The problem with immigration is in the (large) numbers, why does the USA have to accept millions of Mexicans?, would Mexico allow millions of white American people or blacks from Africa into their country illegally and would those millions of people receive the same level of protection, welfare, etc.?
     
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    Lol.
    It is called self depreciation. Thinkig that you are far from racist rednecks because you talk shit on whites guys doesn't make you a good guy but just the same.

    It is a well known fact that Mexico is heaven on earth and does not want to pass the boreder to go in a useless country made by "whites". ( strange because spanish can be considered as whites too ).
     
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    Xavi3r Active Member

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    this what is happening in France and somes countries in Europe.
    Millions of muslims in France did not get here by miracle, it is a political will and some otherworldliness by population.
     
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    Yeah, right. :bs_flag:
     
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    polara71 Old Man with a Hat

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    Which is why they all wanna leave
     
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    Gee, I just thought it was called being honest?
     
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    for those of you that want to end illegal crossings of the border just tell your congressman to push to have any company found to be employing illegal aliens to be charged $50,000.00 for each one. These folks are not coming here for nothing they are coming to work. With the money gained by these fines you would slow crossings down to a trickle because employers would be afraid to hire them and you could use the money to go after drug runners. i guarantee your congressman would not offer this as a law as they know how much prices would go up in the farming, manufacturing and service industries.
     
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    Carmine Senior Member

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    Kudos to you other guys if you figured this out? I can't tell if its supposed to be sarcasm or a ridiculous, honest thought?
     
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    Actually it is for the most part work. People do not want to leave their homes, why do you think that Western Union makes most of their money on folks sending their wages back to countries south of the border. When the Great Recession happened there were actually more going back to their homes then coming here as there were no jobs.
     
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    I'd think that the money going to Mexico is helping some of them in their daily struggle and others to make the trip to the USA.
     
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    You are probably correct however most goes to families trying to get by in their own countries. I would also guess that the countries where this money is sent takes a portion to claim the money.
     
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    The problem isn't specific to one race or nationality. I'd wager there are just as many illegal Asians here in Southern California than Hispanics. At least the Hispanics can drive. It is a common practice for Chinese women to come and live here (illegally) in the US so their babies are born here. There is even a cottage industry whereby people facilitate the move and care for mother and child while they are here and get paid handsomely to do so. Our immigration policy is a joke. If we got serious, Los Angeles County population alone would decrease by 20% thereby making it livable again. There are far too many people here for the infrastructure. I pray we elect a Republican Governor and lay current Governor Sanctuary-Moonbeam out to pasture.
     
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    I think that's a great idea. However what really stops it are lobbying groups, not "grassroots" opposition from Americans who dont eat fruits and vegetables anyway.

    Not hardly true. We are both Mexico's safety net and prison overflow system. While many ARE productive, many are here because of the drug trade or to escape gang hits, warrants, etc.
     
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    A schizophrenic quote if I ever read one, criticizing someone and then doing the same thing, assuming you're a white individual.
    Why bring the Spaniards into this?, dishing hate for everyone it seems.
     
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    Very true, all other races have their own interests as priority number one, often at the expense of the one race which helps them attain their goals, to their own detriment. Wherever large numbers of non-whites are found in the West, it usually resembles the shit holes where they came from, and if anybody thinks that's a racist comment, they have their heads buried in the sand.
     
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    We spend billions of dollars and sacrifice thousands of servicemen in the midday fighting a useless fight. Why don't we redirect our efforts to protect our borders and make the immigration process effective. I have no problem with people coming to the U.S.through a legal vetting process. Then they can work and live here legally and pay taxes and be productive. We need to work with the Mexican government to clean up the corruption and drug cartels. As tourists we're not safe going there. Forget the wall invest in border patrols and use technology available to monitor the borders.
     
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    Mideast...not midday... sorry..auto correct!