Opinion Needed - Halo Light Kits

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  1. 1978 NYB

    1978 NYB Warfighter FCBO Gold Member

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    Has anyone done anything to mod the Halo lights on metric Challengers? Same question for Chargers and Rams if anyone has done any type of upgrades?

    I just don't know which manufacturer is the go to to product or if it's more trouble than it's worth.

    Thanks in advance......
     
  2. CBODY67

    CBODY67 Old Man with a Hat

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    The desired mod does what?
     
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  3. 67Monaco

    67Monaco Old Man with a Hat FCBO Gold Member

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    Oracle is the oldest and as far as I remember they were the best. I used their kits on my old magnum. No experience with them on a Challengers/Chargers.

    Halo Kit | ORACLE Lighting
     
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  4. 1978 NYB

    1978 NYB Warfighter FCBO Gold Member

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    Brighter lights and a little customization.
     
  5. CBODY67

    CBODY67 Old Man with a Hat

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    I can understand the customization aspect, but the "brighter light" I would take issue with.

    If the current beam pattern for a light that is aimed pretty much horizontal does not have the "brightness" you might like, it means the beam isn't covering the areas desired. By observation, USA beam patterns tend to give a false sense of security as they put so much light on the ground in front of the vehicle and less down the road and to the rh side, from my observations and comparison to the old E-code lights. That's from looking at them behind the steering wheel.

    On the OTHER side of the steering wheel, so many of the newer, smaller HID or "white bulb" lights, due to their brightness AND compactness (meaning intensity of the light) can be blinding to oncoming drivers in a way that old high-beams were not. The "high contrast" lighting situation, where you have a very bright light against a black background. Then possibly magnify that for pickup trucks where the level of the headdlghts are basically at the same level as the car in front of you's inside rear view mirror. Which is another bad situation, which the other driver probalby has not every considered being a problem for others, I suspect.

    Once I found some supplements to help with such bright light/dark background situations, things got better, but now it seems that every car on the road has these brighter/smaller lights on them. Might not be as bad in a metro area with a good bit of ambient light (street lights and buildings), but on a dark 2-lane country road it's a different situation. Not to mention the number of "lifted" pickups, or even the HD2500 that aren't lifted, that seem to desire these upgraded headlights.

    By observation, it seems that whomever is designing the newer headlights is doing it more for styling reasons than performance (effective beam pattern). Projector beams are better without the "desirable" HIDs, but their beam pattern's only good thing is the sharp cut-off of the top of their beams. Which is a desirable attribute, which the old E-code lights were very good at.

    Sorry if that might offend some of y'all, but it can be a pretty serious situation for some, by observation.

    Just my own experiences and observations,
    CBODY67
     
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    CBODY67,
    I tend to Agree with You.
    Some of the Newer H/Lights can be Blinding & the Number of Wood ducks who won't Dim their Hi-Beams is Incredible.
    As far as the "New" Designs of H/Lights I'm a Little Cynical from the Point of view that in the Days of "Old" when most vehicles had either 5 3/4 or 7 Inch headlights they used to Cost New approx $28.00 of today's Dollars.
    A New "Modern" H/Light Assembly can be $1,400.00 a side.
    I often feel like I'm being Taken for a Ride without actually going Anywhere.
    Tony.M
     
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  7. 1978 NYB

    1978 NYB Warfighter FCBO Gold Member

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    The beam patterns on all my vehicles are aimed correctly....two 2019's and a 2018. I have seen custom lighting on Challengers, Chargers, and Rams that are enhanced but not blinding.

    I had a 2017 300C Platinum that had all of that annoying safety stuff.... lane monitoring, active braking, lighting, enhanced cruise control, rain sense wipers, front camera and other crap I didn't care for. That car had HID lighting but it was one of the those cars that had the blinding lights. I traded that in on the Scat Pack Charger.
     
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    CBODY67 Old Man with a Hat

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    In modern cars, with "integrated" lights (all in one housing/casting), there is no choice for "better lights" than with "brighter" bulbs in the daylight light spectrum. But with the older lights (as Tony mentions), changing from the USA-spec sealed beams to the (usually non-sealed beams, with replaceable bulbs) to E-code (usually Cibie or SEV-Marchall) lights resulted in less light in the 30" in front of the car and more "down-road", which took a bit to get used to AND required aiming the lights "more up" from the prior sealed beam lights (from my experience). I did that on my '77 Camaro. I then would reference the beam "up and down" aim on known horizontal reference points, as bridge railings which were on flat bridges and also lane dividers on flat roadways. Then do the lateral aim so that the lh beam did not stray past the lh pavement markings (into the eyes of on-coming drivers). This was all easy to do with the more-defined E-code beam, but less so with the more "soft" USA/current non-projector beams, by observation.

    On some of the first composite headlight housings, there were little scales by the adjustment screws. Lateral and horizontal. But those vanished after the next re-design, it seemed. Only way to put more light "down road" is to vary the focal point of the bulb, I suspect, which is not something the owner can do.

    Rain Sense wipers can take some getting use to, by observation.

    Just some thoughts,
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  9. 70bigblockdodge

    70bigblockdodge Old Man with a Hat FCBO Gold Member

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    Just drive around with your high beams on like I do and everyone else apparently.
     
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    LocuMob Fluid Technician with a hat FCBO Gold Member

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    I'm going to get some for all my cars, Every new vehicle blinds me and my brights aren't 1/10th of a new fog light. I stopped flashing brights after my eyeballs had seared from the airplane search lights they install today.
     
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  11. shooter65

    shooter65 Appalachian American FCBO Gold Member

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    Long story but hopefully this will help you make a decision.

    My 2012 Ram SLT did not have the quad beam headlights. The beam of the dual beam of the 2012s were terrible. They had what I described as a halo effect. There was a spot in the center of the beam that no light was projected to and gave the appearance of a black spot but had light all around it. I blamed it on the globe design of the dual beam.

    Long story short, after going to the dealer with no satisfaction, I tried aftermarket HID lights with LED's around them. The result was the lights didn't draw enough power so the lighting control module sensed that the headlights were burned out. The result was the turn signals would blink fast, this drove me nuts. The research I did at the time said I would have to mount a transformer before the headlights and to mount it on the inner fender because they got hot over time and would take the paint off the surface. Again, not a solution I could accept.

    I wrote an angry letter to Chrysler and they paid to replace my dual beams with quad beams which also required the re-flashing of the lighting control module. At that time, the dealers couldn't do that themselves and it required, I was told, for Chrysler to send the flash code to the dealer to reflash my lighting control module.

    I don’t know if re-flashing lighting control modules is a standard practice now but I would check into it before any purchase.
     
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  12. CBODY67

    CBODY67 Old Man with a Hat

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    There is an entity called "Elite Electronics" that have a mobil vans that can come to you and reflash modules/computers and such so that you (or possibly an independent repair shop) does not have to go to the dealer for such re-flashes. Not sure if that would have halped, but it might be an option in the future. FWIW

    CBODY67
     
  13. commando1

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    No. You're doing this to break my balls. :poke:
     
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    commando1 Old Man With a Hat on the Porch FCBO Gold Member

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    That's insane.
    Absolutely mind boggling. To get better headlights, you need to reflash the ECM and a dealer can't do it.
     
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    300rag Waiting out the storm FCBO Gold Member

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    I was wondering how long it would take you to to hear the call of the halo lights.:lol:
     
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    Dobalovr Being on the Cbody diet SUCKS! FCBO Gold Member

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    Most kits come with a CanBus wiring harness that fools the BCM into thinking that all is ok. I run Halos on my magnum and I like them Bob
     
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    commando1 Old Man With a Hat on the Porch FCBO Gold Member

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    So you're all fans of the halos.
    Ummm. OK.
    It's your car...
     
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    1978 NYB Warfighter FCBO Gold Member

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    Perfect......

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    Hey Bob just so you're aware you have to disassemble your factory lights to install those.
     
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    Nope