Can anyone tell me if these are Mopar 15 x 6 wheels, and if so, would the bolt pattern be 4.5"?
Thanks in advance!
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Please ID these wheels if possible - bolt pattern?
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No part number by the valve stem on the outside?
Not on the pics in the local ad I have access to.
Using some image analysis, if those are 1/2 inch stud holes, then it looks like a 4 inch bolt circle, with 2.34 inch center hole.
Thanks for the helpful tips - I should have mentioned that I have no access to the wheels - they're advertised local to me with no info whatsoever.
I'm betting they're for A-body small bolt pattern (5 x 4).
Try that again, using a 5/8" hole. The lug holes for a 1/2" stud has to be larger than 1/2".
If it was a 4" BC Mopar wheel, it would be 7/16" studs and yes, a 1/2" hole would be about right, but I've never seen a 15" Mopar wheel with a 4" BC, although anything is possible.
Cragar shows a Series 08/61 S/S wheel (1526461402B) in size 15x7 with 5 x 4.0 bolt pattern.
If the lug holes are 5/8, then the bolt circle becomes 5 inch (4.96 so close enough to 5).
If the lug holes are 5/8, then the bolt circle becomes 5 inch (4.96 so close enough to 5).
Yes, but that is a stock type Kelsey Hayes wheel. You can get an aftermarket Cragar SS or similar, but honestly, even those are kind of rare to see.
A 5"BC would make sense with the GM type center hole.
The thing that looks strange to me is the diameter of the hubcap retention ring (and nubs) compared to the outer edge of the wheel's outer edge. Which might mean a Ford wheel for a 1970-era Torino? Which could well mean the 5x4.5" bolt pattern but with a slightly smaller center hole diameter, as Ford's was a slight bit smaller than Chrysler's center hole diameter.f
GM wheels have a 5x4.75" bolt circle, so "no fitteee". Nor did GM wheels have such a large hubcap retention ring (and nubs).
Many times, if the wheel was an OEM wheel, it would have the corporate logo stamped into it somewhere near where the rim specs were stamped on the inner, middle, rim area. Pentastar for Chrysler, Ford Oval for Ford. Even Magnum 500s.
GM factory wheels has a letter code, stamped in all caps, near the valve stem. That code was used in the parts books for valid ID of wheel width and related applications. ALL OEMs used stamp codes near the valve stem. The difference was that if the codes meant something as to what the wheel was used on AND had parts book designations listed.
Yes, my retired-from GM parts work life funded my Chrysler Corp vehicle activities quite well. It also got me into different networks where my knowledge of vehicles (and operating systems) was greatly expanded in ways that could not have been possible if I had gone in the direction of Mopar Parts (which, at the time, would have been my preferred route). Yes, I did have some Mopar friends during this time, too. Plus Ford contacts/associates, too. As we repaired all brands of vehicles, I developed professional and friendly working relationships with everybody had came into contact with. We helped each other as needed!
My GM dealer employment also positioned me to find out about the initial meeting of what was then the North Loop Dodge Performance Team. I was astounded at the number of Mopar people who came to the original meeting! HUNDREDS came and signed-up for the new group! The room was "electric" with all of the Mopar Passion present that night. I eagerly signed up and have been continuously paying dues and participating in the group since that first night every since. Even being an officer in the group for something like 20 years, since 1985. MORE opportunities to learn "how things work", as to car clubs and such. From about 1987, I only missed about three years of not attending Mopar Nats each year. EVERYTHING lwas a learning experience! Helped me do a better job of taking care of our GM parts customers, too!
As we always flew into Columbus (or Indy) and rented cars while we were there, I leanred how the rental car companies operated and why. It was one thing to figure out their pricing strategies (as to days of the week), but another to learn about "car swaps", too. Almost exclusively being Chrysler products from Thrifty or Dollar (which Chrysler Corp had interests in back then).
I know that some have expressed displeasure with some of my references to GM parts over the years, BUT it was and is that knowledge of how GM does things that can easily be transferred into what Chrysler and Ford did, too. At the dealership and corporate levels, too. Thanks for tolerating those things!
From my involvement in the local Mopar club, I made friends with others in the Teas Mopar Hobby. I was in charge of the judging at our annual spring shows, so that was another area to learn about, using what others did to determine how to do things for our club. On the orientation of "See what others in the hobby are doing, then take the best items for our own group". As such, we had to know what was "right" and what was not. Not just on how things looked, but what was on the data plate compared to what we were seeing, in some cases.
I ALSO took my knowledge and experiences and applied them to our North Texas Chapter of the Buick Club of America. Helping that chapter become one of the most successful in the 1990s. National meets and regional shows, plus long-term stints as chapter officer. We enjoyed many factory assembly plant tours, too.
I got out of high school in 1970, so you can back-date my liking of cars back into about 1955 or so. ONE of the most magnificent times of the automotive industry, period! Wanting to "keep up" with all of the neat car stuff happening (or getting ready to happen), I was usually at the grocery store newsstand looking at car magazines when we went to buy groceries. I always focused on engineering things rather than glorifying styling, which naturally led me to Chrysler Corporation. My parents had a 1951 Plymouth 4dr sedan when I was born, followed by a '56 Savoy 4dr sedan (6cyl, 3-spd, radio, heater, whitewalls and wheel covers, two-tone). Which was followed by a '61 Chevy BelAir with similar specs. THEN, in the fall of 1967, my parents purchased a 1966 Chrysler Newport Town Sedan. Yep, we did "Take Charge! Move UP to Chrysler!", just a model year late, when the first 1967s hit ground at the local dealership. The Newport had been owned by a local neighborhood grocer. We paid $2995.00 for it. We WERE in high cotton! I drove that car to college, too. LOTS of minor nuances that made those Chryslers GREAT! Many that normal owners might not be aware of, but they are there, if one might look. Just as Ford and GM products are similar. "GREAT" can have a variable definition, depending upon what one is looking at. Yes, even GM and Ford vehicles have their "GREAT" aspects, too. Just depends on where one's priorities might be.
My parents were career school teachers. Mother always wanted me to be a school teacher, back then. I wanted to be a car mechanic. I felt that would be more fun. Perhaps it is their combined DNA that motivates me to share knowledge (with some explanations) to help others (my GM friends and former customers), which includes Y'ALL in this and other car forums. Thanks for your tolerance of some of my longer posts!
I do NOT consider myself to be an expert by any means. There has been a LOT of "gas through the fuel line" over the past 60+years of being involved with cars, though. As there are others in here who are similar. Passing on much of what is in my brain, car-wise, is important to me, to help others with their car concerns. Not having a spouse has allowed me to devote my energies into the car realm of things, fwiw. During work and after work.
Sorry for the length. Thanks for your time and consideration.
Y'all enjoy!
CBODY67
GM wheels have a 5x4.75" bolt circle, so "no fitteee". Nor did GM wheels have such a large hubcap retention ring (and nubs).
Many times, if the wheel was an OEM wheel, it would have the corporate logo stamped into it somewhere near where the rim specs were stamped on the inner, middle, rim area. Pentastar for Chrysler, Ford Oval for Ford. Even Magnum 500s.
GM factory wheels has a letter code, stamped in all caps, near the valve stem. That code was used in the parts books for valid ID of wheel width and related applications. ALL OEMs used stamp codes near the valve stem. The difference was that if the codes meant something as to what the wheel was used on AND had parts book designations listed.
Yes, my retired-from GM parts work life funded my Chrysler Corp vehicle activities quite well. It also got me into different networks where my knowledge of vehicles (and operating systems) was greatly expanded in ways that could not have been possible if I had gone in the direction of Mopar Parts (which, at the time, would have been my preferred route). Yes, I did have some Mopar friends during this time, too. Plus Ford contacts/associates, too. As we repaired all brands of vehicles, I developed professional and friendly working relationships with everybody had came into contact with. We helped each other as needed!
My GM dealer employment also positioned me to find out about the initial meeting of what was then the North Loop Dodge Performance Team. I was astounded at the number of Mopar people who came to the original meeting! HUNDREDS came and signed-up for the new group! The room was "electric" with all of the Mopar Passion present that night. I eagerly signed up and have been continuously paying dues and participating in the group since that first night every since. Even being an officer in the group for something like 20 years, since 1985. MORE opportunities to learn "how things work", as to car clubs and such. From about 1987, I only missed about three years of not attending Mopar Nats each year. EVERYTHING lwas a learning experience! Helped me do a better job of taking care of our GM parts customers, too!
As we always flew into Columbus (or Indy) and rented cars while we were there, I leanred how the rental car companies operated and why. It was one thing to figure out their pricing strategies (as to days of the week), but another to learn about "car swaps", too. Almost exclusively being Chrysler products from Thrifty or Dollar (which Chrysler Corp had interests in back then).
I know that some have expressed displeasure with some of my references to GM parts over the years, BUT it was and is that knowledge of how GM does things that can easily be transferred into what Chrysler and Ford did, too. At the dealership and corporate levels, too. Thanks for tolerating those things!
From my involvement in the local Mopar club, I made friends with others in the Teas Mopar Hobby. I was in charge of the judging at our annual spring shows, so that was another area to learn about, using what others did to determine how to do things for our club. On the orientation of "See what others in the hobby are doing, then take the best items for our own group". As such, we had to know what was "right" and what was not. Not just on how things looked, but what was on the data plate compared to what we were seeing, in some cases.
I ALSO took my knowledge and experiences and applied them to our North Texas Chapter of the Buick Club of America. Helping that chapter become one of the most successful in the 1990s. National meets and regional shows, plus long-term stints as chapter officer. We enjoyed many factory assembly plant tours, too.
I got out of high school in 1970, so you can back-date my liking of cars back into about 1955 or so. ONE of the most magnificent times of the automotive industry, period! Wanting to "keep up" with all of the neat car stuff happening (or getting ready to happen), I was usually at the grocery store newsstand looking at car magazines when we went to buy groceries. I always focused on engineering things rather than glorifying styling, which naturally led me to Chrysler Corporation. My parents had a 1951 Plymouth 4dr sedan when I was born, followed by a '56 Savoy 4dr sedan (6cyl, 3-spd, radio, heater, whitewalls and wheel covers, two-tone). Which was followed by a '61 Chevy BelAir with similar specs. THEN, in the fall of 1967, my parents purchased a 1966 Chrysler Newport Town Sedan. Yep, we did "Take Charge! Move UP to Chrysler!", just a model year late, when the first 1967s hit ground at the local dealership. The Newport had been owned by a local neighborhood grocer. We paid $2995.00 for it. We WERE in high cotton! I drove that car to college, too. LOTS of minor nuances that made those Chryslers GREAT! Many that normal owners might not be aware of, but they are there, if one might look. Just as Ford and GM products are similar. "GREAT" can have a variable definition, depending upon what one is looking at. Yes, even GM and Ford vehicles have their "GREAT" aspects, too. Just depends on where one's priorities might be.
My parents were career school teachers. Mother always wanted me to be a school teacher, back then. I wanted to be a car mechanic. I felt that would be more fun. Perhaps it is their combined DNA that motivates me to share knowledge (with some explanations) to help others (my GM friends and former customers), which includes Y'ALL in this and other car forums. Thanks for your tolerance of some of my longer posts!
I do NOT consider myself to be an expert by any means. There has been a LOT of "gas through the fuel line" over the past 60+years of being involved with cars, though. As there are others in here who are similar. Passing on much of what is in my brain, car-wise, is important to me, to help others with their car concerns. Not having a spouse has allowed me to devote my energies into the car realm of things, fwiw. During work and after work.
Sorry for the length. Thanks for your time and consideration.
Y'all enjoy!
CBODY67
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Truck wheels too??
In general, for Chevrolets and others, they were 5x4.75. The "classic" GM bolt pattern. For some of the "big cars" and especially after the 1971 model year, most of the "full-size" cars went to a 5x5 bolt pattern.
With the 1988 redesign of the C/K light duty trucks, there were some with little tabs around the center hole, which is the first time I'd seen that. Usually on the K-series (4wd) vehicles. The center hole size did change, too, from big to smaller, but with similar bolt patterns. Luckily, the physical look of the wheel changed, too.
CBODY67
Of course, now I feel an overwhelming need to measure the lug hole diameter on my 4 1/2" and 4" BC Mopar wheels.
I just measured a 4" BC and a 4 1/2" BC wheels. 9/16" for both, which really surprised me as the 4" BC uses a 7/16" lug nut.
So @MoPar~Man , the magic number would be 9/16" rather than 5/8".
Good thing... The spare was soft in the Barracuda and I had forgotten to check it this spring!
So @MoPar~Man , the magic number would be 9/16" rather than 5/8".
Good thing... The spare was soft in the Barracuda and I had forgotten to check it this spring!
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To complicate matters, there are 2 different styles of wheels pictured.
The back shot is not of the wheel with the face shot.
The back shot is not of the wheel with the face shot.
ynst
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Did Kelsey-Hayes even make wheels for GM. I thought only FoMoCo and ChryCo were the only big three manufacturers that used them
Hollander use to publish a Wheel Guide. I had a 1970 dated guide but in moves over the years it has disappeared. With the id numbers you have you should be able to identify using that publication. I'm sure they are available on Ebay or maybe someone here has one.
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