Texas auction of a Mopar Hoard.

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From the auction site:

BUYER’S PREMIUM:
  • There will be a 15% buyer's premium added to all winning bids and is subject to all applicable sales tax.
  • A $100.00 document fee will apply to all items with a title.
 

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Some interesting stuff to say the least but I’d be worried about my stuff after I bought it if I wasn’t there to pick it up immediately and it looks to be in the middle of nowhere.
 

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Yea and then there is the sales tax plus bidders premium which is a added 22%, sheeet I remember the daze when sales tax only applied to *NEW* vehicles and used vehicles were exempt as with any used item. (long ago).


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Answering this one vs the other many replies... 22% or 15%.. fine if the price is right, $100 title fee would be fantastic to know I had proper documentation secured, but the concern that I might run into the wall of having to get a bonded title causes me some problems.

Most lots have title pictures, and a number of them were open titles the deceased never changed to his name... maybe he had a dealer license at some point or maybe he just didn't want to pay taxes or trigger curbstoning laws for buying too many cars in a year, but the legal disclaimer type nonsense from the auction company gives me NO confidence that I would be supported or have any recourse if the state decide NOT to issue a title... or worse yet, brand the car and make it even more difficult/expensive to resolve.

IMO, the price of the car + fees + transport issues (not in a metropolitan area included) = easy decision (painful, but easy). Add on the titling unknowns + possible punishment fees (was told $600 is a starting point to get an open title in FL when I asked the one agency I'd trust to handle the job) + unknown time issues which can make other problems (local storage lots no longer seem to allow unregistered/uninsured cars... can't do either until the title comes in)...
 

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I’ve had several cars transported over the past few years that didn’t have titles and there was no issues.
 

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Many new Tube videos added in August, this one talks with the brother and gives a little history on the owner of the hoard.
A shame he was only 52 yo when he passed, a decade younger than me.



Also the owner of this auction company was involved with Barrett Jackson, so...

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Answering this one vs the other many replies... 22% or 15%.. fine if the price is right, $100 title fee would be fantastic to know I had proper documentation secured, but the concern that I might run into the wall of having to get a bonded title causes me some problems.

Most lots have title pictures, and a number of them were open titles the deceased never changed to his name... maybe he had a dealer license at some point or maybe he just didn't want to pay taxes or trigger curbstoning laws for buying too many cars in a year, but the legal disclaimer type nonsense from the auction company gives me NO confidence that I would be supported or have any recourse if the state decide NOT to issue a title... or worse yet, brand the car and make it even more difficult/expensive to resolve.

IMO, the price of the car + fees + transport issues (not in a metropolitan area included) = easy decision (painful, but easy). Add on the titling unknowns + possible punishment fees (was told $600 is a starting point to get an open title in FL when I asked the one agency I'd trust to handle the job) + unknown time issues which can make other problems (local storage lots no longer seem to allow unregistered/uninsured cars... can't do either until the title comes in)...

Yea you got that right Jeff as in trying to sleuth out the 1973 Fury III cop car documentation it appears he bought it off of Wild William Used Cars which had a notarized title reassignment to him in 1979 where he just passed along the Texas DPS title in (?) 1914, maybe 1994(?) or 2014? plus the notary line & date is blank leading to some to believe it is a questionable document. The unprocessed application for title (photocopy it looks like) appears to be of 1995 or later vintage as it has reference to a 2.5% Emissions Fee (Diesel Vehicles 1996 and Older > 14,000 lbs) so this may not be too much problem for a Texas resident and they may just go eh on a car this old and say just pay the new title fee and sales tax or they may want the back sales tax on the appears to be the purchase price of $2,100.00 way back when?

Lott'a tick boxes on the application...

APPLICATION FOR TEXAS CERTIFICATE OF TITLE

SALES AND USE TAX COMPUTATION

AMOUNT OF TAX AND PENALTY DUE

$28 Or $33 APPLICATION FEE FOR CERTIFICATE OF TITLE

But on that application there is a whole bunch of tick boxes that could lead to back taxes & fees due which another state may just put the brakes on processing a title until you prove all taxes and fees have been met. You know how all states are penny pinching and scrounging for revenue these days, and also what kind of mood the clerk is on the moment you arrive at the window.

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1973 Plymouth Fury III 4dr Police PH41P3D185075_023.cut2.jpg


Or they just may want that $5.00 PENALTY... who knows.

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Obviously some pit-falls and schisms to deal with, whether in-state or not. Obviously some interesting and neat cars in that mix, but getting them out might be "the deal", even if the car can be had at a very good auction price. In one respect, I suspect the auction company could supply whatever paper trail for each vehicle they sold, which could be enough documentation for any transport company should state lines be crossed on the way to the "new home". Just as if the car had been bought at a B&J or Mecum auction. Once in its new residence, getting the particular state's title might be somewhat expensive, time-consuming, and tedious.

Another issue might be "altered vehicles", which the '58 Plymouth Plaza Hemi would be. Which was sometime when engine numbers served as vehicle ID numbers, in some states. Of course, even in TX, there's paperwork to fill out in those situations, too. Or, possibly, take the car to the TX DPS office and let an officer inspect it and put a "state-issued VIN number onit" for titling purposes . . . with a OHV V-8 in a '32 Ford street rod might be.

In any event, unless the vehicle would be for parts, it can take "time and money and sweat and tears" to put any of those cars back on the road.

It will be interesting to see what they do sell for, though. Plus the many parts and pieces.

Just some thoughts,
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Obviously some pit-falls and schisms to deal with, whether in-state or not. Obviously some interesting and neat cars in that mix, but getting them out might be "the deal", even if the car can be had at a very good auction price. In one respect, I suspect the auction company could supply whatever paper trail for each vehicle they sold, which could be enough documentation for any transport company should state lines be crossed on the way to the "new home". Just as if the car had been bought at a B&J or Mecum auction. Once in its new residence, getting the particular state's title might be somewhat expensive, time-consuming, and tedious.

Another issue might be "altered vehicles", which the '58 Plymouth Plaza Hemi would be. Which was sometime when engine numbers served as vehicle ID numbers, in some states. Of course, even in TX, there's paperwork to fill out in those situations, too. Or, possibly, take the car to the TX DPS office and let an officer inspect it and put a "state-issued VIN number onit" for titling purposes . . . with a OHV V-8 in a '32 Ford street rod might be.

In any event, unless the vehicle would be for parts, it can take "time and money and sweat and tears" to put any of those cars back on the road.

It will be interesting to see what they do sell for, though. Plus the many parts and pieces.

Just some thoughts,
CBODY67

I've looked carefully enough to believe there will be a lot of disappointed "winners" here.

The 75 chevy 4 door that is getting way too much bidder attention already, is being marketed with the title from the wrecked 81 olds they say they can't find the title to...

These folks may be former BJ... but BJ wouldn't have touched this mess or any of those cars until documented.

I have my concerns that TX will title any but the few in the deceased's name... good luck to those who have a better way to get a title or believe the nonsense I keep reading.
 

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Bought a Vehicle Without a Title? | TxDMV.gov

Florida Lost Title? How To Get A Florida Bonded Title

Looks like I'm out... FL won't do an out of state vehicle and Texas requires you be a resident... too much nonsense.

The fact is the auction company is doing what a car dealer or private seller legally couldn't... I wonder what kind of loophole they climbed through or if they're just scum?
Looks to me the texas thing is if YOUR a tx resident buying a tx car with no title. I assume the state you live on is the one you need to worry about. My bonded title came from IA and i delt w my home state of MN
 

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I might just grt a truck/trailer so i dont need to deal w transport. Anyone in MN or nearby make me a sweet deal on renting thier truck/trailer? Im insured! Lol
 

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My son and I were looking at Lot #225 - a '58 or '59 D300 refrigerated van, converted to a camper. Flathead 230 engine, complete. Perfect front sheet metal and trim. The box is rough, but doable. Even has the vintage fridge and oven!...BUT, the roof is wide-open over the front seat, for whatever reason, so the seat and dash are very rough. And the bus-style front doors are stuck closed. This would take mountains of work to make it roadworthy. We dwelled on this beast for a bit, and decided not to bid. It would make an insanely cool little-house camper, or something for Burning Man, who knows?

L D300 Truck - Camper

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Looks to me the texas thing is if YOUR a tx resident buying a tx car with no title. I assume the state you live on is the one you need to worry about. My bonded title came from IA and i delt w my home state of MN
I've covered my personal situation... folks should look out for themselves and not just hope for the best. AFAIAC, the bidding has already touched the actual value of a few of these given the title nightmare. I has crossed my mind that all of the documentation pics would be great evidence against someone who thought they'd try forging the rest of the document.

Seriously, this fella loved them, but whatever his reasons for not making the paperwork correct, I think he has assured the destruction of many. I'd have to involve others, in other states, who may have a better chance of getting a title to touch anything in there.
 

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This auction is a perfect example of why "he who dies with the most toys, wins" is a completely bullshit phrase. Other than saving quite a few cars and trucks from the crusher, what was gained here? The owner died, too young, IMO. He's left this for heirs to fight over, separate, scrap, or sell off at auction.

A good friend in another state died back in 2010. Fairly well-off, he also had a collection of "stuff" - cars, trucks, parts, sheds full of everything imaginable...a true hoarder. Plus, he had well over $2.5M in cash, and gold and silver. He dressed in jeans and a black T-shirt nearly every day. Very unassuming man. Nice house and shop that he kept his nice cars in - five in total. A combination of Mopar and Pontiac. I came to know the guy when I bought a bunch of Dart parts he had, that I needed for my 340 Dart GTS project back in the day. It took his son over five years to sort through his rather expansive business involvements. Crazy. Most of the cars and trucks and such were sold for scrap, sadly. The "stuff" was carefully sorted through to see if he had a suitcase of cash stashed away (he didn't). Much was thrown out. It was sad.
 

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I will say that if there was a 1970 M46 barracuda there I would buy it regardless of the title issues. Where there is a will, there is a way. Each car takes someone with passion to save it. Each could be worth that to someone.

@patrick66 that truck is awesome! I vote for doing it up! Very different vehicle to see, even in that state of being.

The person with the toys would have been happy with what he/she had while they were alive. That means they won in some ways just because they had the things that drove their desire. No one else matters at that point. Not your wife or your kids or your grand kids. Even if they crush it all. The guy who had it was happy with what he had. Even if all he did was stare at them.
 

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The books and paperwork are driving me nuts. I want to drive down and look before I bid. 12 hours drive. But work is messing up my freedom to go look. Stupid work.
The auction states the pictures of the paperwork are an example photo. Items being added daily. But no new pictures. No change.
Apparently I am supposed to just bid on example pictures and hope it is worth it? Or that I don't buy a bunch of daily living magazines.
Not terribly happy with their pics and info of the other non car items.
 
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