Voyager 1 and 2 still alive!!!! 38,000 mph!

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  1. amazinblue82

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    Thanks for posting. Amazing ,,absolutely mind blowing.
    Let me ask you Amazin since you seem to be so knowlegable in this area,is it just coincedence both are leaving the Suns influence in the direction that the Sun is travelling around our Galaxy? In the first illustration you posted it shows the bow shock as they travel from our perspective East. If they were West of the Sun at the same distance I would think they would not have left the Heliosphere. Is that a correct assumption?
     
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    My second hobby - the Cosmos.

    While i'd have to study the actual orbits, as its drawn (long side of the heliosphere's elongated "eliptical" shape is lengthening to the "left" or "west" - in reality it would just be the longer "vector" through the heliosphere from where Sun and Earth are, relative to each other, along ecliptic plane, WITHIN the heliosphere) my supposition is akin to yours.

    So yes IF (and I believe this is true) the V'Gers left the ecliptic plane along different exit trajectories. Assuming same relative velocities, and orbit distance at inception of the vector is roughly same distance from Sun, then one V'Ger could almost surely exit heliosphere sooner than the other.

    Assume one exit vector (no NSEW in space) was to the "East", and the other "WNW", the later path would mean the craft remains in the heliosphere longer. Look forward to others' thoughts on this. :)
     
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    Let's establish some meaningful coordinates for everyone to agree on first. I recall (just) that "galactic north" is the "right hand rule thumbs up" direction of one curls the fingers of the right hand in the direction of galactic rotation. If this is so, then let us all use that convention. So, galactic west then would be in the direction opposite of Sol's rotational direction in the plane normal to the galactic polar axis and containing Sol. We can use either cylindrical or spherical coordinates for fun too. With a clear North, I favor cylindrical for discussion. Now, WHERE do we assign our Zero for the Solar path?... Fun stuff!
     
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    As a novice some of the comments above are over my head. A couple questions. Is the plane of our solar system on the same plane as the galaxy or is it tilted? Are the Voyager spacecraft moving in the same direction of travel as the solar system or in other words out ahead of the direction of travel of the sun?
     
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    Good question.
     
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    i think with celestial "galactic north" ya kinda gotta use "spherical" coordinate system for best results.

    but id observe its simpler than that. all planets are orbiting counter-clockwise along Sol "equator", whole Sol system doing same thing (more or less) along galactic "equator"

    the heliosphere (the big elliptical bubble around the Sol system and its spherical influence zone) doesent care where it is along either "equator". we can still assume its an eliptical sphere-ish shape with its long side (streaming away from Sol system vector) anywhere along the 360 degrees of the Sol & galactic equator.

    boil all that down im still with Turboomni's observation. on fratzogs questions:

    1. yes the Sol system is roughly along the galactic equator BUT over the circum-navigation around the galactic center some times its a few degrees over/under the planar. theory is when its over/under the planar, gamma and other radiation from galactic center is responsible for mass extinctions on Earth. And yeah, data suggests Sol system is tilted vs galactic planar "equator" ... whether it crosses any Sol planetary orbit? i dunno .. maybe IF this "sine-wave-like" movement of the Sol system is true.

    2. The V'gers are following whatever exit vector they were originally on, relative to Sol, and the whole kit & kaboodle moving CClockwise around the 4M Sol mass Black Hole at Milky Way center. they leave the heliosphere no matter what .. but at different galactic "coordinates" ahead or behind (i dunno which without a coordinate system and their respective exit trajectories and a smart person to render it) where Sol is, on same planar, vs the galactic center.

    i know ...sounds like "double talk" and honestly were getting deep with the coordinate thing.

    we just gotta keep in mind EVERYTHING we see in the night sky is moving. even the interstellar space all around the Sol System (and here on Earth where we are observing it all).

    the V'Gers there, in that void, still rappin' with us with its primitive technology vs. today, is friggin' spectacular. :)
     
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    source: NASA's Voyager Probes to Leave Solar System by 2016

    Another view circa 2011 piece from space.com .. more like the one I recall but I am not sure IF definitive.

    The V'Ger's left Sol Planar surface (this time shown as West being the "short-side" of heliosphere ..which is why no such thing as "NSEW in space" - its observer dependent) "ahead" of Sol System. V1 first, V2 second - IF these are "True" exit trajectories for the probes -- they were on at least seven years ago.

    Different views/opinions anybody finds I am sure you'll post them up please :)

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    7CADBAA9-8132-46A9-969D-A0C46894EDA5.jpeg ...latest information suggests both voyagers will be entering the moronisphere. In what is described as an “extreme long shot”, scientists who have calculated, but not proven the existence of “Planet X”, are hoping one of the voyagers will catch sight of the planet they say is the size of Uranus at the very furthest edge of our solar system. Progressives and liberals are reportedly hoping the planet is habitable, saying they would love to be amongst the first to establish a colony there. President Trump and the Koch brothers said they would be willing to commit their own personal funds towards building a space shuttle “big enough to take anyone who wants to go”.
     
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    I hope to have my house paid off by then...
     
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    i hear ya chief .. that'll be about the time I finish trickin' out my new bus. :)
     
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    COOL WHAT BUS??
     
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    amazinblue82 Old Man with a Hat FCBO Gold Member

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    Scenicruisin'..?

    A 20+ year chase (actually longer .. i feel in love with this coach when i was in elementary school in the 1960's) has ended, a new day starting.

    Check it out if you havent followed that thread .. :)
     
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    70bigblockdodge Old Man with a Hat

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    I think that's a given, another couple hundred years stupid will prevail, life as we know it now will be gone.
     
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    amazinblue82 Old Man with a Hat FCBO Gold Member

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    Fellow space nerds .. did we let one of the biggest days in cosmology, in the history of science, pass without fanfare? :)

    00-1-2-4.jpg

    first image of a black hole.

    how they did it? extraordinary in its own right. The fact that it looks like its prediction? a tribute to Einstein's genius back in 1916. What a black hole even is? gives the smartest people in the world headaches.

    Recall the existence of these things was predicted by teasing out the implications of relativity. they used mathematics to determine such a thing could form in this universe. 100 years later, after proving they existed, finally a picture.

    World hunger gonna get solved by this? nope. Elephants and donkeys gonna all get along? nope. I am still dozens of thousands of dollars from getting my bus done.

    but for scientists and wannabes (like me) .. this is a great day!
     
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    Turboomni Old Man with a Hat

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    If I am correct this is an image of a black hole in another galaxy not in our own? I had read there were at least two candidates to get the best image from.
    Depending on how many light years away it is from us it's possible it has ingested most or all around it and has disappeared with no signature of matter trying to survive around it.

    Thanks for posting. Amazing for sure.
     
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    amazinblue82 Old Man with a Hat FCBO Gold Member

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    yes sir.

    Messier 87: 54 million light years away: 5,880,000,000,000 (~6 trillion miles = one light year) miles x 54,000,000 (54 million)) = a big ass number of miles (like a 3 with 20 zeros behind it).

    Messier 87 - Wikipedia
     
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