Samplingman
Old Man with a Hat
How could you tell it's a "warranty block"? I see the blank pad, but how do you know the seller didn't simply machine it and clean off the VIN?
How could you tell it's a "warranty block"? I see the blank pad, but how do you know the seller didn't simply machine it and clean off the VIN?
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How could you tell it's a "warranty block"? I see the blank pad, but how do you know the seller didn't simply machine it and clean off the VIN?
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Thanks, the seller is looking for a small fortune in trade, so it's not something I'm going for. I don't see where there would have been an extra tag mounted on this one, so it made me suspicious.
But the cast in date is 1-22-70? I didn't think the pre-69 blocks even had the VIN pad.That's a pre-1969 block. You can tell by the lack of the rib above the freeze plug. Pre-1969 blocks didn't have the VIN stamped on them.
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I'm trying to find the ad again, but it was short on description.Just for curiosities sake, what year is he claiming this engine is supposed to be? John makes a good point about the block ribs, yet it appears to have a 1970 casting date.
Dave
I think the ribs are there, it's just a bad pic, and hard to tell.That's a pre-1969 block. You can tell by the lack of the rib above the freeze plug. Pre-1969 blocks didn't have the VIN stamped on them.
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Ok, here is the ad, he says it is a 7/70 casting date.
1970 440 Dodge Charger R/T Six Pack Motor Engine Mopar Challenger 1969
I have a Stock Bore 440 Six Pack Motor; I had it Hot Tanked, and Magna-Fluxed.
All the 440 Six Pack Internals, Heads, Harmonic Balancer, Oil Pump, Water Pump, Valve Covers, Timing Cover, Exhaust Manifold, Distributor, Accessory Brackets/Bolts, Pulleys, Steering Gearbox with Pitman Arm, Power Steering Pump are Included.
This is a Warranty Motor; and does not have a Vin Number Stamped on It.
7/70 casting date
Perfect Replacement for any 440 Car and Especially a 440 Six Pack.
Stock Bore and Perfect
No Broken Ears, No Cracks; No Rear Main Seal Issues.. NEVER BORED or Modified.
Looking to Trade for Tractor with a Snow Plow Attachment
The rib just isn't there.I think the ribs are there, it's just a bad pic, and hard to tell.
The rib just isn't there.
I've never seen a post 69 block without it, and everything that I just looked at says the same. Does that mean it wasn't cast in 1970? I don't know. I've learned "never say never" with this stuff.
The fan clutch is the star of that ad though... That's $$$ for a good one.
I think that's a forged crank. It doesn't have the sharp edges of a cast crank, but the parting line isn't visible, so I can't tell for sure. "Six pack" rods are junk though.. Too heavy and I've seen a bunch of them break. They were used with later cast cranks too. Gotta have the right harmonic balancer and torque converter to make everything work.
One personal observation about warranty blocks... There seems to be a lot of them around. I'll bet more than back when they were new.
No price and I don't know what a "tractor with plow" that he would want would cost.
LOL, I see a rib, it’s faint, but it I see it.The rib just isn't there.
So that’s what the “A” means? I have that on my ‘69 motor.
When people started pulling the cast crank 440 engines from the New Yorkers is when the market started getting flooded. I used to keep sets around for when someone just had to have "six pack" rods because they had an old article from Car Craft that said they were the hot ticket. It would take 3 engines to get 2 sets though. There was always one or two rods that parted ways. Surprisingly (at least in my experiences) they never seemed to do any damage to the block. I had one with a chipped pan rail, but that was it.Engine builders today are mostly discarding the factory 6 pack rods in favor of the more modern rods that are far stronger and lighter than the factory originals. Often, the complete rotating assembly is changed out as a whole and with today's metallurgy, these assemblies have a significantly lower throw weight which allows for higher engine RPMs and increased engine life. That means that there are original 6 pack lower end parts available for for all the scavengers and and parts flippers.
Dave