What is a nicely running Stock 440 worth?

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  1. Turboomni

    Turboomni Senior Member

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    I am having a 505 built for my 69 Fury III to replace the present 440 {Not Original! At birth she was a 383!} The present 440 engine is stock with iron heads and intake and I assume it is a stock cam as it has good vacuum and runs nicely. Should I do a video of it running before it is pulled? Or compression test on video? Just wondering what the market is. Don't want to make a killing at all ,just a fair price. I also have the crank and rods of another 440 [core for my build] that is in good shape as well as the stock heads plus intake etc..
     
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    Pretend we don’t know what you are selling and tell us more!
    What year is the block?
    Steel or cast crank?
    What castings number are the heads?
    Is it complete? How complete? What is included?
    What carb and intake?
    How many miles?
    Did you build it?
    Got receipts?

    The year of the fury car doesn’t mean a thing in this case.

    Best bet is run for sale ads now and leave the car together so the buyer can hear it run and go drive it.

    It’s worth anywhere from $450 to $4500 with what we know so far.
     
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  3. Newport 66

    Newport 66 Senior Member FCBO Gold Member

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    Steel or cast crank? what heads? HP or no?
    The e and b body guys or hot riders will want to know. Distance to pick up or shipping will affect marketability too. I've seen complete pan to carb RV engines for as low as $500 for a "ran when pulled" engine and running magnum engines sell for $2500 plus.
    Think it's a fickle market, sorry for lack of help. Others here are surely more informed and well versed. GLWTS!!
     
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  4. Turboomni

    Turboomni Senior Member

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    Thanks guys..I guess I have more research to do. Not in a hurry but you gave me info to work on ,,,thank you.
     
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  5. Ross Wooldridge

    Ross Wooldridge Senior Member FCBO Gold Member

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    Yup - more info needed. I'm in the market for an early casting 440 - has to be cast prior to September of 1965, so if either of your 440s turn out to be from that time period, I'm interested.
     
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    Davea Lux Old Man with a Hat FCBO Gold Member

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    A factory A, B, or E body engine is worth a good deal more than a C-Body engine. If it is a late production '69 or later engine, it will have the VIN number stamped on the passenger side pan rail at the front of the engine. The VIN will tell you what the engine came out of. HP or forged steel crank engines are usually the most valuable, especially '68-'71. Check the block casting date as that will also help determine the year of the engine. You need to figure out what you have to determine a potential value. If you want to get really into it, the production plants for the 440 are also different in most cases for C-Body engines as opposed to A, B, or E Body engines.

    You might also want to keep you running 440 as a spare in case the 505 ever decides to take a dump. Always good to have spared for a new build or to just keep the car running.

    Dave
     
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    LocuMob Fluid Technician with a hat FCBO Gold Member

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    I will check the date on my '66 block, it's bare and was cleaned and shot peened way back,and would need a freshen up, but I'll see what I have.
     
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    Heyyyy that 383 shortblock I bought a couple yrs back for the steel crank might be a goody!
     
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    LocuMob Fluid Technician with a hat FCBO Gold Member

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    Number one, I'm a cheap ass. With that out of the way, I haven't paid more than $500 for a running 440, I still have the '77 out of a Formal,sitting in the Polara. Put a .484 cam in it, Edelbrock Performer and 750 carb, and some tti headers. The thing runs great, sounds good and only leaks oil because I haven't fixed the valve cover gaskets. I picked up an allegedly running when pulled 440 (RV) for $400 a couple years ago. I got one a long time back for $500, but they didn't break it in correctly, and it blew up after a few years.

    They are out there cheap, if you're johhny on the spot with the money.

    But they are asking stupid prices for any 440 these days. $1250 for a completely torn apart engine. That was stock, bone stock. And out of an RV with 8.2:1 compression! Core engines are getting more than twice what I've paid for runners. I have enough blocks to build whatever I want, so buying isn't an issue, but I still look, cause who doesn't love a good deal. But I can't believe what they are trying to get.

    Number two, what do you NEED to get for it? Do you need to retire? Want to help out a friend? Owe the mob some quick cash before you go swimming with the fishes? Somewhere between Dreamland prices that sellers are asking, and my offer of nothing, okay, $500, you should find your price.

    I sold my 360 (I know, not the same engine) to a member on FABO, and I had a hard time asking for $350, even with it being the most badass 360 I had ever had. But he was happy, and still is, and that makes me happy. I get to see the van it's in cruising around, and even ride in it. Win win!
     
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    Never seen one of those yet. But if you say they exist, I'm lookin........ :thumbsup:
     
  11. Ross Wooldridge

    Ross Wooldridge Senior Member FCBO Gold Member

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    @Lefty71 Here's your proof. :) Both my 66 cars are early builds - my wagon is a dealer demo and my 440 4 speed Monaco is a special order.

    Casting date on the Monaco's motor is June 28, 1965, as evidenced by the picture, and a production date on the fender tag of September 7, 1965. 20190424_183155.jpg

    My wagon has a replacement block in it, and therefore is not date correct. It has a production date on the fender tag of September 15, 1965.

    This makes finding a replacement date correct block a challenge to be sure...

    @Davea Lux - how does one determine the production plant for the block in question? Is there a mark or stamping? I know the assembly plant is indicated on the VIN, but where on the block? I'm interested specifically for 66 blocks.
     
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  12. Turboomni

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    Thanks guys. The car is in storage and I will decipher the numbers in the spring to see what I have. I don't think it is anything special and no the engine is not part of my retirement portfolio!! I appreciate your thoughts.
     
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    i got $1500 for a 383 + 727 here in DFW area with decent documentation that it ran when pulled (video + buyer liked the still full, clean oil he saw on the stick still in the motor still sealed up good sitting here in the garage)

    i had no takers at $2500. so thats sort of a range. and DFW is boomin economy i dont know how it is where you are.

    good luck!

    - saylor
     
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    There was an engine serial number on the '68 and later blocks back by the starter which includes the engine plant code. Unfortunately the older ones do not have any identifying marks that I am aware of that reference the particular engine plant.
    Some interesting reading available at www.mmcdetroit.com and www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/motor/36.html
    For your '66, you would be looking for an engine casting date about 60 days prior to the build date for the car, that number is approximate as the times varied. Mainly want the engine assembly date to be prior to the build date of the car for points purposes. Most RB engines will have the assembly date on the machined pad with the year code and displacement stampings.

    Dave
     
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  15. Ross Wooldridge

    Ross Wooldridge Senior Member FCBO Gold Member

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    Yup, aware of the assembly date etc, just wasn't sure if the production plang was indicated somewhere...

    Thanks!
     
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    Ross, my block is a late model year run, 6/20/66, no good for your timeframe.
     
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    if its pulled and you cant run it much less
     
  18. Ross Wooldridge

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    Thanks for checking though!!
     
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