What happened to you Us people ?

Wouldn't that be double jeopardy at this point? Or are there additional and/or new charges?

He is convicted Felon who entered the country illegally, that carries a 5 year penalty. I don't know yet if there will be a Federal firearms violation, it would depend on how the California and Federal firearms statues interact and what specific violation of California law he was convicted of. If he was convicted of being a felon in possession of a firearm, he probably would not be charged again. If he transported the firearm across the border or a state line, that would be a different violation.

Dave
 
I predict that Jose Ines Garcia Zarate will have a starring role in an upcoming Volvo commercial for the San Francisco market.
 
An important issue is "intent", no matter where it happens. The fired bullet did bounce off the concrete and hit the victim. If he'd pointed the gun directly at her, a different charge would have been in order, no matter what. Just like if anybody points a gun at a law enforcement person, "they die", usually.

Certainly, he'd been deported previously, and came back several times. A Houston, TX judge unsealed an arrest warranty on him later this afternoon, which was issued prior to him being put in jail for the alleged killing. Now that he's exonerated from that, more charges will accrue, from the earlier time.

"Sanctuary City" is a term invented by a particular political group. A loose definition exists, but not a legal one, that I know of. An interesting thing that during the prior Presidential administration, there was a program to train local police officers how to correctly inquire as to a suspected "alien's status, but few police officers took that training. The programs is still in effect and now many local officers are interested in taking that training.

The whole "SC" thing always seemed to me to be a way to get local police to do ICE's work for them, without compensation, possibly. Something else the feds want the states to do, but not pay for. How many mechanics perform significant work they aren't trained for and don't get paid for? Same thing, to me. Feds need to pay their way so the local taxpayers don't have to!

The "Tweeter in Chief" also needs to understand the particular dynamics of what happened BEFORE his thumbs go into action!

Remember that when federal taxes go down, less money is collected by the feds and LESS is sent to the states. When the states collect less money from the feds, that shortfall is passed directly into the local taxpayers' laps . . . IF the same level of services (schools, fire and police, etc.) are desired.

Respectfully,
CBODY67
 
Unfortunately he was given a trial by his peers. In this case his peers are a bunch of Pelosi like drug burnouts that would never convict an illegal alien of anything! This bastard was deported 5 times and had 7 felony arrests but was still walking the streets because of Pelosi and her ilk. He first claimed he was shooting at sea lions, then he said he found a pile of stuff under a park bench and when he touched it a gun went off. So he kicked it into the water. He never should have been here in the first place!
God Bless the Steinly family my thoughts and prayers are with them.
 
View attachment 154633Donald J. Trump

✔@realDonaldTrump

The Kate Steinle killer came back and back over the weakly protected Obama border, always committing crimes and being violent, and yet this info was not used in court. His exoneration is a complete travesty of justice. BUILD THE WALL!

9:33 PM - Dec 1, 2017


Actual count as of this posting...still an impressive sum me thinks.

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The whole "SC" thing always seemed to me to be a way to get local police to do ICE's work for them, without compensation, possibly. Something else the feds want the states to do, but not pay for. How many mechanics perform significant work they aren't trained for and don't get paid for? Same thing, to me. Feds need to pay their way so the local taxpayers don't have to!

The "Tweeter in Chief" also needs to understand the particular dynamics of what happened BEFORE his thumbs go into action!

Actually, just to keep the dynamics of what happened straight...

ICE Deputy Director Tom Homan blamed the city of San Francisco for Steinle’s death.

“San Francisco’s policy of refusing to honor ICE detainers is a blatant threat to public safety and undermines the rule of law. This tragedy could have been prevented if San Francisco had simply turned the alien [who had already been arrested for a drug charge] over to ICE, as we requested, instead of releasing him back onto the streets,” Homan said in a statement Thursday. The office of San Francisco Mayor Edwin M. Lee (D) released a statement Friday saying, “San Francisco is and will always be a Sanctuary City.”

That's not a policy of doing Federal work for nothing. To use your mechanic analogy, it's like being paid to do a 4-wheel brake job and the customer asks you to rotate the tires while they are removed. Only the most petty mechanic would refuse.

And just so you know, local officials enforce Federal law all the time. For example, the Feds have required cities to change local street signs from all capital letters to capital/lowercase within a certain timeline, regardless of condition. They may refuse, but they'll also be refused future Federal dollars for anything...roads, senior programs, environmental improvements, etc.

That's where the idea of denying Federal funds to "catch and release" Sanctuary Cities comes from. It's not an idea that has only been suggested by our current President.

(To be fair, this sign requirement was relaxed, but the principal of Fed requirements for local governments is long established. Only the media's coverage has been selective outrage.)
 
I know we have a problem. We had eight years of a "catch and release" program under Obama. There needs to be consequences for illegal immigration, the laws are on the books but they do not do any good if the political class refuses to enforce them. Dave
Here in Canada we have many of the same problems. People need to draw their own conclusions about why countries with a European heritage are decimating themselves. In the US case it seems your problems started in 1965 with the elimination of national quotas. I'd recommend to anyone interested in the topic to dig into who was behind the Immigration and Nationality Act and what were their motivations.
 
Wouldn’t these cities so boldly stating their santuary status and ignoring federal law be in jeopardy of legal action? I know if i was Kate’s dad i’d be looking to suit the city, state, judge and the idiot prosecution team for incompetence, deriliction or whatever. Hire some loudmouth lawyer like Jeffery Fieger and let him loose.
 
I can answer the question ...... over population= too many people with too many varying opinions and ideas.

The solution ...

Push the statue of Liberty over and let it sink to the bottom( or give it back) of the harbor. Lock the door to the country but give true Canadians a key. Population control wouldnt hurt either ....
Vote more people into office like Trump who know what the right thing to do is ( but now can't because of the left and the right) and do it .
 
Didn't / doesn't China do it? Two kids, three tops .

Seeing six kids with one on the hip of a welfare recipient on the six o clock news voicing her opinion of how Uncle Sam needs to step up rubs me slightly the wrong way.
 
End the free to all welfare to everybody and their cousins that get it no questions asked.
That ends seeing six kids with one on the hip of a welfare recipient on the six o clock news voicing her opinion of how Uncle Sam needs to step up.
Oops. Too late.
 
Didn't / doesn't China do it? Two kids, three tops .

Actually, for many years China had a one child policy (which resulted in many girl babies being dumped like so much rubbish). Just remember which "great protector of women", along with with the other side of the same coin Republicans, granted favored nation status to these Godless communists and turned them into a superpower.
 
This news just reached the old europe

Trump Tweets ‘Build the Wall’ After Immigrant Is Acquitted in Kathryn Steinle Case

is it serious ? Do you become as soft as we are in Europe ?
Do you start to kill yourself too ?

So i resume :

An illegal immigrant kills a citizen with an illegal gun.
and because he did not do it in purpose
he will not be judged for murder...
an only for the gun. and everyone seems happy.

okay.....

Don't you have enough problems in YOUR own country without worrying about what's going on in ours? Just go away!
 
Let me get this straight, ICE supposedly let this guy back and forth over the border multiple times and now blames San Francisco? Give me a break. It's called CYA. And peeps here want a dear leader to tell us how many kids to have and take action against local governments that resist federal overreach? What does the political "right" even stand for these days? This seems like an angry lynch mob. A tragedy occurred and a brown illegal immigrant was the cause so let's throw him in a cell with a lonely 6'8" guy so "justice" is served. Check your principles at the door. We should throw the illegals that recently beat a border patrol agent to death with rocks in the same cell. Oh wait, he actually got hit by a truck.
 
Meanwhile in Canada, our liberal prime minister is trying to create a program to re-integrate those nice folks who have left the country to join isis and want to come back.
 
Immigration has always (at least in the prior 50 decades, depending upon which part of the country you're in or how close to a national border you are). Remember when young pregnant women were streaming to CA so their kids could be born "American"? Major financial issues for the CA healthcare system. 30 years ago, at least, that was happening. NAFTA was supposed to have expanded manufacturing job opportunities in Mexico, so there would be no real need for Mexicans to cross the border for a good-paying job . . . but the USA industries who expanded down there didn't really raise the wages in those new factories very much at all, while reaping the financial advantages of their new facilities. For better pay, still cross the border.

As the USA tried to limit legal immigration, sometimes up to 8 years for the applicants, nothing was really done about the border back then. Probably it was, but more people on the ground didn't account for what was going on 50 feet below ground (tunnels into houses/warehouses on the USA side of the border.

As long as the USA is seen at "the best place to be" (although WE might not perceive it as such!), the desires of non-USA citizens will remain and motivate them to come, illegally or otherwise. People are risking life and limb, literally, to get here from Central America, not just Mexico, which is unfortunate, but proves that they want a better life for themselves and their families, even if they die trying. The USA is the victim of its own successes, it seems.

In the middle '60s, when college guys got summer jobs on construction crews to fund their college studies, a decade later, it was "Others" in those jobs, by observation. It used to be just a southern border issue, but now it's the same for our Canadian friends (THEIR southern border).

Some states have sought to get ahead of the issue by welcoming immigrants, seeking to get them Green Cards, allowing them to have drivers' licenses, and further promote them as sales tax-paying citizens that positively contribute to the local economies, PLUS getting them into a database of sorts. These entities also desire these people to be law-abiding citizens who are NOT afraid of the police for any reason (which is HUGE issue to the law enforcement people as immigrant crime against other illegals is very high itself).

And then there have been some born-in-the-USA Mexicans who have allowed themselves to be picked up by ICE, transported back to Mexico, visit relatives once there, and then return to the USA as a normal citizen would. ICE checks closer on such things, now, as I understand it.

The best "bring jobs back to America" tactic would be for Mexico to put prior-USA emissions controls in place on their factories. Those retro-fits would mean jobs in Mexico. Plus increased costs for the American businesses with factories down there. Then put a national minimum wage law in effect down there (no duties or taxes), such that the only reason to make things in Mexico would be to produce goods near the place of their main sale. Give citizens a better standard of living that drugs and opiods doesn't fuel, so that might decrease that traffic and other related issues, down there.

NONE of these things will happen overnight. The first wave of immigration in the earlier 20th Century came from Europe. The later 20th Century immigration comes from Mexico and Central America. Same reasons, different locations. As we like to solicit educated immigrants from China, but there are issues there too!

The Europeans aren't the main thrust of immigration as their local economies recovered after WWII, so no need to go anywhere else. The Central American economies have not increased to that point . . . and probably never will if things continue as they have been, locally.

Isolationism has its positives and negatives, just as globalized manufacturing does.

As for "lawsuits"? The principle of sovereign immunity can kick in. You can't sue a governmental entity (local, state, national) unless they'll let you do that. They can react with some sort of "proposed settlement", but not allow the full lawsuit to happen unless they let it. A lawsuit can be filed, get much publicity, but a settlement happens rather than the full-blown court trial, usually.

Double jeopardy is only operational in criminal issues. Which is why criminal and civil lawsuits an happen for the same alleged crime and same people involved. I don't agree with that, but that's the way it is. One trial, one verdict, end of situation, the way I see it.

The whole immigration issue has more dynamics and twists/turns to it that any ONE person can comprehend! IT's not going to be fixed with "a wall" above ground. When and IF that happens, the coyotes will just literally go underground, using prior drug-built tunnels and charge more for a "safer" product. A Tweeter-in-Chief is not going to fix it, even if his magic wands have Energizer batteries.

CBODY67
 
Don't you have enough problems in YOUR own country without worrying about what's going on in ours? Just go away!

i am very surprised of this kindness of the justice of the USA.
you made better than us this time.
 
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