advice revision / restoration headen headlightmotor 1971 Imperial

[jet1969]

I need some help with the revision /restoration of a headen headlight motor. It is from an 1971 Imperial 2 door. The gasket of the lower part has to be replaced and also the complete motor has to be dismanteled to clean and to check all the wiring.

-Do I have to take off the knop which can be used for manual operating the headen headlights. It quite a risky thing to do . It is completely stuck on the axle. Before I have to use heat or force, what is wisdom. Let it on the axle or do I have to remove it. If so what is a good tactic to do?

-To replace the lower gasket , I think i have to remove the 4 hollow pivots by drilling them out. The gasket is also under the brown rectangle where the 2 carbon brushes (sorry I am dutch not all the tecnical english terms are easy , but i think you know what i mean) are mounted on, which is hold together by the 4 hollow pivots. After I have changed the gasket i can mount new hollow pivots in the bottom. Is this the way to do it or is there another way?

-I was thinking to make a new gasket my self. Use the old parts and fotos of a new one and cut it out of thick gasketpaper. Or are there any replace gaskets to get somewhere. I saw a revision set for the upper part (gasket and gear) but not for the lower part.

Any help, suggestions and tricks are welcome for a succesfull revision. This is one of a whole list which I have to .............

 

[Big_John]

IIRC, the knob just pulls off.

A good reference is here: 1969 Imperial progress thread starting with post #1409.

A small faux pas on the aluminum brush holder in that thread, but that was corrected.

 

[jet1969]

IIRC, the knob just pulls off.

A good reference is here: 1969 Imperial progress thread starting with post #1409.

A small faux pas on the aluminum brush holder in that thread, but that was corrected.

Thanks Big John, your a great help!

 

[vdk2010]

Hey Paul, I'm answering your PM here, so someone with the same problems can maybe find the answers here later.


Do I have to take off the knop which can be used for manual operating the headen headlights? If so what is a good tactic to do?
Yes, you have to remove the wheel in order to completely disassemble the motor. The wheel is splined and "just" pressed on. I used a small 3 jaw puller to remove it. Worked great.

To replace the lower gasket , do I have to drill out the 4 rivets? I saw you replaced the polyester mounting plate for the brushes. Where did you get that one?
Yes, you have to drill out the rivets to change the gasket since it's underneath the brush mounting plate. Mine broke in this process so I made a new one from blank circuit board material.
If your plate doesn't brake, reuse it, that's fine. If it gets damaged, just use it as a template to make a new one from circuit board material. You can find that on Ebay.
Use pop rivets to reattach the plate.

You printed new gaskets on gasketpaper. Is it possible you share the pdf adobe file for the gasket?
I digitalized the gaskets and then printed them onto gasket paper with a laser printer. (Be careful, that can ruin your laser printer if the paper is to thick. Ask me how I know it...)
You can also print it on normal paper, cut it out and use it as a template on the thicker gasket paper.

I'm happy to share the work I've done with the community, so you can download a PDF with all the gaskets from my Dropbox:

Dropbox - File Deleted - Simplify your life

www.dropbox.com

I hope I was able to help you with your questions! If you have any other I can help you with, let me know! I'm happy to help where I can!

 

[Boydsdodge]

Hey Paul, I'm answering your PM here, so someone with the same problems can maybe find the answers here later.


Do I have to take off the knop which can be used for manual operating the headen headlights? If so what is a good tactic to do?
Yes, you have to remove the wheel in order to completely disassemble the motor. The wheel is splined and "just" pressed on. I used a small 3 jaw puller to remove it. Worked great.

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To replace the lower gasket , do I have to drill out the 4 rivets? I saw you replaced the polyester mounting plate for the brushes. Where did you get that one?
Yes, you have to drill out the rivets to change the gasket since it's underneath the brush mounting plate. Mine broke in this process so I made a new one from blank circuit board material.
If your plate doesn't brake, reuse it, that's fine. If it gets damaged, just use it as a template to make a new one from circuit board material. You can find that on Ebay.
Use pop rivets to reattach the plate.

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You printed new gaskets on gasketpaper. Is it possible you share the pdf adobe file for the gasket?
I digitalized the gaskets and then printed them onto gasket paper with a laser printer. (Be careful, that can ruin your laser printer if the paper is to thick. Ask me how I know it...)
You can also print it on normal paper, cut it out and use it as a template on the thicker gasket paper.

I'm happy to share the work I've done with the community, so you can download a PDF with all the gaskets from my Dropbox:

Dropbox - File Deleted - Simplify your life

www.dropbox.com

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I hope I was able to help you with your questions! If you have any other I can help you with, let me know! I'm happy to help where I can!

Hero.

 

[jet1969]

Hey Paul, I'm answering your PM here, so someone with the same problems can maybe find the answers here later.


Do I have to take off the knop which can be used for manual operating the headen headlights? If so what is a good tactic to do?
Yes, you have to remove the wheel in order to completely disassemble the motor. The wheel is splined and "just" pressed on. I used a small 3 jaw puller to remove it. Worked great.

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To replace the lower gasket , do I have to drill out the 4 rivets? I saw you replaced the polyester mounting plate for the brushes. Where did you get that one?
Yes, you have to drill out the rivets to change the gasket since it's underneath the brush mounting plate. Mine broke in this process so I made a new one from blank circuit board material.
If your plate doesn't brake, reuse it, that's fine. If it gets damaged, just use it as a template to make a new one from circuit board material. You can find that on Ebay.
Use pop rivets to reattach the plate.

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You printed new gaskets on gasketpaper. Is it possible you share the pdf adobe file for the gasket?
I digitalized the gaskets and then printed them onto gasket paper with a laser printer. (Be careful, that can ruin your laser printer if the paper is to thick. Ask me how I know it...)
You can also print it on normal paper, cut it out and use it as a template on the thicker gasket paper.

I'm happy to share the work I've done with the community, so you can download a PDF with all the gaskets from my Dropbox:

http://[URL]https://www.dropbox.com/s/1dvi905d8yez4yz/Headlamp Motor.pdf?dl=0

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I hope I was able to help you with your questions! If you have any other I can help you with, let me know! I'm happy to help where I can!

Thanks very much for the drawings and the practical help. The knob came off as you said carefull using a gear puller. Unfortunately a bummer today by trying to get the axle out , the brass sphere was completely stuck on the axle, i had to bent back the innerlips at he bottom carefully which holds the spring disk to get everything out. In this proces the disk broke. Any suggestions, spare one?, alternative

 

[vdk2010]

Thanks very much for the drawings and the practical help. The knob came off as you said carefull using a gear puller. Unfortunately a bummer today by trying to get the axle out , the brass sphere was completely stuck on the axle, i had to bent back the innerlips at he bottom carefully which holds the spring disk to get everything out. In this proces the disk broke. Any suggestions, spare one?, alternativeView attachment 584335View attachment 584334

Uff, these pieces look like they came from the bottom of the ocean. :/
You will not find the retention spring alone as a spare part... And if the bronze bushing was stuck on the shaft due to rust, it will never have a smooth surface again to ride on.
You can try and use rust remover on all the parts but in this poor state you're better off finding a replacement motor.

 

[Big_John]

in this poor state you're better off finding a replacement motor

^This is the best advice for this motor^

 

[jet1969]

Uff, these pieces look like they came from the bottom of the ocean. :/
You will not find the retention spring alone as a spare part... And if the bronze bushing was stuck on the shaft due to rust, it will never have a smooth surface again to ride on.
You can try and use rust remover on all the parts but in this poor state you're better off finding a replacement motor.

Well, I don’t give up yet….replacement motor are hard to find and big bugs

 

[vdk2010]

On Facebook right now. Derby guys usually sell parts very reasonable. It's worth a try.

 

[jet1969]

Well, I don’t give up yet….replacement motor are hard to find and big bugs

Bucks

On Facebook right now. Derby guys usually sell parts very reasonable. It's worth a try.

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thanks just messaged him

 

[crv]

Not sure if the '69 Imperials have the same unit, but just in case: 1969 Chrysler Imperial -- Parting Out - auto parts - by owner -...

 

[vdk2010]

They are all the same in these years. You should be fine.

 

[jet1969]

Not sure if the '69 Imperials have the same unit, but just in case: 1969 Chrysler Imperial -- Parting Out - auto parts - by owner -...

Thank you very much, going to contact him