NOT MINE '70 Newport 2-door Hardtop.

[Turbo301]

It's realistic thinking.

My thinking is that they're not making any more classic cars; every one lost is one less for future generations to enjoy and experience, whether by owning, riding in, or even just seeing. Pictures on the Internet or in books, as footnotes in history, don't do justice to the cars themselves nor the time periods they represent. History is a precious thing, and cars are one of the most accessible, tangible, and powerful pieces of evidence of that history, of the mindsets, engineering and culture of the time.

 

[Big_John]

My thinking is that they're not making any more classic cars; every one lost is one less for future generations to enjoy and experience, whether by owning, riding in, or even just seeing. Pictures on the Internet or in books, as footnotes in history, don't do justice to the cars themselves nor the time periods they represent. History is a precious thing, and cars are one of the most accessible, tangible, and powerful pieces of evidence of that history.

Then go buy it. Put your money were your mouth is. Like everyone else, you won't. You'll whine like everyone else, but never do anything.

A car isn't a mistreated dog like you seem to think. You've chosen a very bad analogy. BTW, the fifth dog I've rescued is sleeping at my feet as I type this. Others speak of it losing its "heart". It's not a heart... It's the engine and there are more engines out there that you can replace it with. It's pretty simple.

My three old cars get treated pretty well, but they are inanimate objects.... Oh and two of the three I know don't have their original engines.

It's not a "piece of history". It's a brown Newport that stinks inside and a seller that wants a little too much in a soft market. That's reality. A couple weekends work and some $$ and it would be a nice car. There's not much chance that someone is going to step up and buy it though.

 

[Big_John]

And the Mona Lisa is a painting. Graceland is a building. Etc.

Yea, but the Smithsonian isn't going to knock on your door looking for a brown '70 Newport that mice have been pissing in.

 

[cuda hunter]

Has there been mention of mice in the car?

 

[azblackhemi]

Has there been mention of mice in the car?

Slight mouse smell in carpet goes away after driving, steam cleaning might solve it, That's in the ad.

 

[ayilar]

Then go buy it. Put your money were your mouth is.

That is the key. In this case, it may well be that the owner is willing to put the original engine back in the car. Question is, would anyone be willing to step up?

FWIW, it took 2-3 weeks before @cuda hunter and me finally decided to team up and try to save an even rarer GJ4 U-code Newport Custom sedan in Colorado from the derby (probably 1 of about 50 U-codes made, and likely the only GJ4). Everybody wanted someone to save that car, except no one was doing it and being that someone. Cost was $2k, plus an unknown amount to check if the engine needed a rebuild. In the end, someone beat us to it by a few hours.

 

[Big_John]

Has there been mention of mice in the car?

Yes, in the seller's description. They said "slight", but sellers always downplay bad things. The mouse smell probably doesn't go away, they just get used to it. LOL.

In my experiences, if mice ruined the carpet, they may have gotten into the headliner too. I've been there and done that.... Not fun, but not the end of the world either.

 

[Turbo301]

Then go buy it. Put your money were your mouth is. Like everyone else, you won't. You'll whine like everyone else, but never do anything.

A car isn't a mistreated dog like you seem to think. You've chosen a very bad analogy. BTW, the fifth dog I've rescued is sleeping at my feet as I type this. Others speak of it losing its "heart". It's not a heart... It's the engine and there are more engines out there that you can replace it with. It's pretty simple.

My three old cars get treated pretty well, but they are inanimate objects.... Oh and two of the three I know don't have their original engines.

It's not a "piece of history". It's a brown Newport that stinks inside and a seller that wants a little too much in a soft market. That's reality. A couple weekends work and some $$ and it would be a nice car. There's not much chance that someone is going to step up and buy it though.

Geez with the tone... Cool your jets.

Just as it's not your "duty" to save every dog, it's not my "duty" to save every car; that doesn't change the heartbreak of the situation. I did my part by buying my '91 Marquis, my '73 Fury, and numerous other "unwanted" or "destined for derby" cars. And the hassle of importing a car from the US, especially in this climate...

And new dogs, cats, and other animals are born every day; there's a constant supply of new ones and there always will be. Classic cars, not so much.

 

[Big_John]

That is the key. In this case, it may well be that the owner is willing to put the original engine back in the car. Question is, would anyone be willing to step up?

FWIW, it took 2-3 weeks before @cuda hunter and me finally decided to up and try to save an even rarer GJ4 U-code Newport Custom sedan in Colorado from the derby. Everybody wanted someone to save that car, except no one was doing it. Cost was $2k, plus an unknown amount to check if the engine needed a rebuild.

Probably could be done with the right amount of money and/or the offer of another 1970 383 4bbl engine in the same or better condition. You don't know though.... It could be a moot point and the engine is long gone, sold with a '70 B or E body for a lot of money.

To step back just a bit and set emotions aside, you have to consider the value of the complete car with and without the original engine compared to what it would cost to buy. That's the practical answer... The real answer is how much it is worth to you... I happen to have a brown Chrysler that I'm upside down in the value, so I get it.

I still think the seller is asking too much as it stands, but I also think that price would discourage the derby crowd... Until it sits around until the "make me an offer and get it out of here" happens that is. I hate to say it, but that's probably a good possibility. A solid $4k offer, Benjamins on the hood right now, may buy the car.

 

[Big_John]

Geez with the tone... Cool your jets.

Well, then don't start with your own bad tone. I have my opinions and that's that. You won't change them.

But, in the spirit of fairness and trying to do the right thing, let's just agree to disagree. Virtual handshake.

 

[Turbo301]

Well, then don't start with your own bad tone. I have my opinions and that's that. You won't change them.

But, in the spirit of fairness and trying to do the right thing, let's just agree to disagree. Virtual handshake.

Although perhaps hard to discern via a written message, I was trying to demonstrate a GOOD tone by highlighting the importance and value - not necessarily monetary - of all classics.

No worries, though: the only acrimony I have is for the seller who would so casually sacrifice a car like this.

 

[cuda hunter]

I totally forgot about the mouse part in the description.
Thanks for pointing that out.

Since the car has had a repaint I would be cautious due to bondo and previous damage.
Must have been some reason for a repaint.

 

[cuda hunter]

it took 2-3 weeks before @cuda hunter and me finally decided to team up and try to save an even rarer GJ4 U-code Newport Custom sedan in Colorado from the derby (probably 1 of about 50 U-codes made, and likely the only GJ4). Everybody wanted someone to save that car, except no one was doing it and being that someone. Cost was $2k, plus an unknown amount to check if the engine needed a rebuild. In the end, someone beat us to it by a few hours.

Quite literally an hour or two.
At least, on the bright side for that car, a local purchased it with the intent of a full restoration. An owner of other cars. I was assured it would not be demo derbied.

 

[6PKRTSE]

I think it is a cool car. Since someone pilferred the original 383, which seems dumb to me. I would put a 2nd Gen Hemi in it just to be different.

 

[62dodge]

Howdy All
This made for an interesting read. As I'm in a similar situation as I've posted my 70 Newport Convertible for sale sending many, many pictures and videos and no offers. I look at the car and my other projects and theorize pulling the "HP" 383 and transmission and putting it elsewhere. It would save time in rebuilding another motor/transmission and get another car running, and the other car is not E body. As I'm liquidating all of my E body treasures. Then parting the Newport out, though the thought of supporting shipping companies galls me. It does appear that I will have the next 5 months to decide as the Convertible is put up for the winter.

 

[Turbo301]

Howdy All
This made for an interesting read. As I'm in a similar situation as I've posted my 70 Newport Convertible for sale sending many, many pictures and videos and no offers. I look at the car and my other projects and theorize pulling the "HP" 383 and transmission and putting it elsewhere. It would save time in rebuilding another motor/transmission and get another car running, and the other car is not E body. As I'm liquidating all of my E body treasures. Then parting the Newport out, though the thought of supporting shipping companies galls me. It does appear that I will have the next 5 months to decide as the Convertible is put up for the winter.

Why not just keep and enjoy your Newport convertible?

 

[62dodge]

Why not just keep and enjoy your Newport convertible?

We just don't drive it enough, maybe 20-25 times in 4 years. And we have several other cars that I want to drive.

 

[cuda hunter]

@62dodge I do really like your CE27N0C106155. Quite the car.
If you were to pull the motor it would surely suffer the same fate as this brown CE23N0C270563 . Slow sale. Price will likely drop or it gets put out to pasture, again.
Plenty of homeless motors out there to be had with a little searching.

Again, nice ride you have. Wish I could indulge. Promo cars are few and far between.
The original motor deserves to stay with that car.
CE27N0C106155 for sale

 

[sixpkrt]

The reality is, there are a lot of A, B & E cars out there needing and engine too, which are being restored or fixed up to flip for much more money than most C bodies could ever bring.
The 383 out of this Newport I parted out went into a 70 Super Bee. The buyer wanted a date code correct engine for his restoration.
The Newport's engine discussed here most likely was sold to someone in a similar situation.
Other than having no engine, the rest of the car appears to be in nice shape and wouldn't take too much to get it back together with another engine.
I've seen people wanting to resto other C bodies in worse shape with no engine. All that's needed here is the engine and a good cleaning to be enjoyed.
Now, if anyone knows of a 2 door 69 Polara or Monaco (preferably) without its engine that is for sale, I have a HP440 out of a B body at my shop I would gladly drop in it.

 

[Turbo301]

The buyer wanted a date code correct engine for his restoration.

Though a bit off-topic, can someone tell me why a correct date code means so much to restorers? That is, if the engine isn't numbers-matching to the car, why does having the "wrong" engine but with a similar date of manufacture matter? Is it just to have the correct appearance and performance? It seems odd because most people slightly modify their engines during restoration anyway (bore them out, hotter cam, etc.) so the need for "date-correct performance" doesn't seem relevant.