My City Was Gone

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Over the weekend, went back to my hometown of Dayton, Ohio to visit with my dad and other family who still live there, and to visit my mothers grave site, as she would have been 90 on 8/2.
Saturday morning we went to Carillon Historic Park, which includes historic buildings and exhibits of employers that once were headquartered in Dayton, as well as biographies of the inventors who once called Dayton their home. Many of these engineering pioneers changed history during the Industrial Revolution, and are recognized for making America the great country it is today.
Later in the afternoon, we went to the Packard Museum. What an amazing place to see. There are so many classic cars in the museum, from the early 1900’s to 1956, when they were last produced. Many of the cars are owned for the displays but there are many others that have been donated to the museum. But it’s not only cars, there are full displays, such as the real life showroom, with general manager and salesmen’s offices included, a full garage that makes you feel like you are standing in the place in 1928, a full library and many pieces of Packard memorabilia.

I’ll post pics of Carillon Historic Park and the Packard Museum in their own threads later.

When we left the Packard Museum, we drove through Dayton into several of the neighborhoods where we once lived. It is quite evident the Gem City, as it was once known, is in a state of decay, with many of these neighborhoods overtaken by crime and drug gangs, abandoned or burned downed housing, shuttered factories, and a lot more homeless people that I ever could have imaged. It is a sad sight to see today.
Before I moved from Ohio, there was a time I remember when everyone was employed, with well-paying jobs, both union and non-union, huge factories like NCR, Delco Moraine, the Inland division of GM, Frigidaire, which later became the Chevrolet S-10 pick-up assembly plant, and so many machine and job shops in every corner of the city, you couldn’t even count them, almost all of whom depended on the Big 3 in Detroit MI for the consistent stream of work they needed. Heck, even the guidance counselors in my high school made sure there were just as many kids going into industrial arts classes to learn a trade or two, as there were of those heading to college, because they wanted to make sure students going into the trades would keep a strong workforce in town. Unfortunately, that has all changed when the Big 3 started to close their factories.

Getting back to the trip, some on here know I grew up in the inner city of Dayton, walking distance to downtown. The Carillon Historic Park, the Packard Museum, and the Oregon District, where the mass shooting occurred, are all within 5 minutes of where I grew up and is where my father still lives.

Sunday morning, we had plans to go to church. The 10:30 mass at Emmanuel Catholic church, his parish, was too late in the day for me, so on Saturday, we decided to go to Holy Trinity church for Sunday mass at 8:30 instead. This church happens to be in the Oregon District.

When I turned on the news Sunday morning from our hotel room, I could not believe what I was seeing, as the reports came in of the massacre that occurred at Ned Peppers bar in the Oregon District. I called my dad and told him to turn on channel 7 news. With a gasp, he said “Oh my God”. I told him, I’d be right over.

We drove through the Oregon District several times on Saturday, as we were driving around Dayton the day before. This neighborhood used to be run-down with many of the poor living in the area. In the mid 1970’s there was a revitalization of the area that had started to take place, because of the historic homes and mansions in the area. They were selling for $1K to $5K at the time. Today, it is a very nice neighborhood, commanding some of the highest property values in the city limits of Dayton. But the bar scene on 5th Street where the shooting happened, seems to be a place where “crime of opportunity” is becoming more prevalent, and most of the local homeowners do not even go there anymore.

I left Dayton 35 years ago because I was constantly being laid off from the many machine shops I had worked. It shocks me how far Dayton has deteriorated, in every aspect, in such a short period of time.
The Pretenders song is based on Akron Ohio, but every time I hear it, it reminds me of my hometown. This song came out in 1984, the same year I left Dayton.



Pics of the Oregon District, Sunday morning, August 4th, 2019.
The second pic is from the corner where Holy Trinity church is located. It was that close!

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None of this makes any sense. I work occasionally in Dayton. My cousin lives in a very nice area of Bellbrook a suburb of Dayton, which is where this piece of **** shooter grew up and went to school.

My cousin frequents an outdoor patio restaurant in the Oregon District just a 100 feet from the shooting.

So this shooting isn't even a result of the decline of Dayton, another self centered low life, with no respect to human life.
 
The heart of America is in a slow steady decline. So many communities are in a state of decay because of once great jobs that are gone and crime and violence is taking over. It's tragic to see this happen in our lifetimes. The age of God fearing, hard working, respectful and respected folks is on the wane. The youth of today have little regard for the history and work ethic of the not so distant past. I've tried to instill good manners, respect and faith in my kids and grandkids. Wonder if there's any hope left for what once was. Sorry to be such a downer......this past weekend has shaken many to the core.....
 
On a side note, there is reinvigorating and renovation in some communities. This, I suppose, is a glimmer of hope. But until we change the way we act and think as a nation, all the fancy brick and mortar will be pointless....
 
I guess my question is: with all of the folks in Texas having access to guns, open carry, why nobody took the guy out? Instead, as usual, it appears to fall on Law Enforcement to show up. 35% of folks in Texas have guns...

Another thing: The US won the area known as "Texas " from Mexico during the Mexican-American War in the mid 1850 era. Of course their are a lot of Mexicans in Texas. They were there first.
 
The heart of America is in a slow steady decline. So many communities are in a state of decay because of once great jobs that are gone and crime and violence is taking over. It's tragic to see this happen in our lifetimes. The age of God fearing, hard working, respectful and respected folks is on the wane. The youth of today have little regard for the history and work ethic of the not so distant past. I've tried to instill good manners, respect and faith in my kids and grandkids. Wonder if there's any hope left for what once was. Sorry to be such a downer......this past weekend has shaken many to the core.....

Addressing your job comment - blame folks buying imported cars and imported household goods. This started decades ago. (1940s-50s)
Now, all the jobs making "widgets" are gone.....
 
I know what you mean.....

Milwaukee was not only know as the Beer Capitol of the World but also known as the Machine Shop of the World.

Totally different city now than it was when I started working there in my early years! No one (pretty much) went to college because you had numerous choices straight after high school to get a great paying blue collar job!

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In 1984, I was making $10/hr. That may not seem like much today, but in Dayton at the time, I had more money than I could spend as a 21/22 year old. It wasn't uncommon for me to have 2 or 3 un-cashed paychecks in my wallet, and I didn't live at home either. My cost for a second floor of an old house I rented was $150/month, all utilities included. It was cheaper than living at home. Yup, I paid rent to live at home. 1/2 of whatever amount I earned. (I still had money to burn, even when giving up 1/2 while living at home)
At the time I never felt that I didn't like this rule, and I never complained about it, as I knew the money contributed was not being squandered by my parents, and was being used to help our family when money was tight.

Most kids today have been given everything from designer clothing, cell phones, electronics, even cars. And what kills me these kids "parents" pay their kids an allowance to live with "them", all given without any responsibilities attached to the $$.
I too, am guilty of many of the freebees I've given my 2 daughters mentioned-above, but no allowance was my rule.
If they wanted luxuries in life, like in all the advertising they'd see on tv, they needed to hold a job so they could be able to afford it for their selves. And both have held job's since around age 16 when they each received their work-permits.
However, when they were in college, I was a little more lenient, as long as they held good grades.
Once graduated, the cellphones bills, car payments, car insurance, etc is now theirs.

I truly believe if a child is not taught the value of a dollar when they're young, when that child turns into an adult, they will be at a total loss as to how the world works, and will not be able to balance their own checkbook.
What would be worse is if that child never develops a desire to have anything they have worked hard for such as a home, a family, a good job etc., and expect to have everything "provided" to them, at no cost, because it was all provided. This mentality or state of mind will turn our young adult's society into a welfare state. Whenever I turn the news on, I see this already happening, and it's because of the innocent distribution of an allowance, or the participation trophies, or over protective parenting, and so on and so on ......
Both my girls are able to change their own oil, and even wanted to learn how to change their own brakes. I've posted pics of that here in another thread before.
I don't want to believe America is lost, and hope that what we are seeing on the nightly news (pick your channel) is a bump in the road, and only the latest popular talking point these pundits spew, but assholes like the killers from Texas or Ohio will always appear on the news at some point, because these idiots most likely did not have a proper upbringing, had a parent that was absent or not involved with them, never worked for anything of value or meaning, and got sucked up into their own self pity because of their own laziness.
 
To add to what sixpkrt put in above.....................................
Its called lack of respect and lack of discipline ..
Just about anyone over the age of 50 who messed up at home or school
got a paddling..
Now,, if your kid or grand kid gets paddled you go totally nuts...
Your kids know they can get away with about anything because
about the only thing that might happen is they loose use of their cellphone for the night...
So!! Who is responsible for the disrespectful undisciplined younger generation.....?
You are...
And now you are going to disagree with me and tell me that I am the ignorant one here....
Go for it..
Just remember this,,, all the hate and madness you are directing towards me is the hate and
madness you feel for raising those lovely out of undisciplined children children you have...
 
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The education system in America is at fault in part as well. The dual income society changed most of that.
When the teachers began to replace some of the parenting roles that had been commonplace a generation earlier, the gates were opened. These changes first appeared when saying anything religious in school was removed, including the removal of "In God We Trust" from the pledge of allegiance. I believe most schools don't even say the pledge anymore.
Then there was elimination of industrial arts classes, as most academics felt it is better to go to college, and going into a trade was somehow not a worthy path to follow. Cursive writing is now a thing of the past in most schools curriculum. How was this a good idea. Please clue me in, and don't tell me it's because of technology. Everyone needs to know how to write.
There are kids in HS today that can't read at the second grade level. When did flunking a grade because of poor grades stop? These kids are passed onto the next grade level through their administrators, without any regard to their ability function intelligently. They have created a society of failures.
When making it to college, many of the kids are incapable learning at a college level, and are taught in the most part, a one sided view of whatever the professor is teaching, or has chosen to teach.
As a parent, who decides what these professors teach? If these parents OK spending tuition for their kids, on classes like the Sociology of Miley Cyrus, How to watch Television, Lady Gaga: the Sociology of Fame, or Learning from YouTube, I suppose it's their money, but in my opinion, what do these parents expect their kids to gain from these "college courses" that will land them a well paying job?
The HS drop out rate epidemic in the United States is not because the children are dumb, it's because the teachers today don't teach or have any contact with the family to seek their involvement. In essence, they've given up.
 
And high school.....

I could of taken a typing class. But back in the late 60's and early 70's that was women's work. Little did I know that it would of helped in the 90's and to today with computers. I still only type on the keyboard with one finger..... two fingers on a good day.

I could of also taken German in high school. The school wasn't offering Vietnamese so I didn't think taking a foreign language was worth it. Little did I know that I would spend 15 out of 20 years overseas in the Army. Mostly in Germany.....

I know all the swear words in German. I was pretty proficient in German after the 1st year over there. Still kind of proficient today but I'm not really communicating in German with anyone except a few of my friends from the Army married German women.
 
Who is responsible for the disrespectful undisciplined younger generation.....?
You are...
And now you are going to disagree with me and tell me that I am the ignorant one here....
Go for it..
I was gonna disagree with you and brag on our kids. Then I got to thinking "Is this guy really calling out the members here on their lack of parenting skills?" I'm gonna assume you were just painting with a real broad brush and weren't actually insulting us.
 
This is a worldwide phenomenon unfortunately. We all (Australia, Canada, USA etc) grew complacent over the years hidden behind tariff barriers, I recall once reading that Holden didn't care that their quality was poor (probably the 60s and 70s) because "people will still buy a Holden" until they didn't- consider that while our Ford Falcon and the Holden and Chrysler equivalents came with standard rubber mat, no heater /demister, radio, exterior mirrors, or carpets, along came the first Toyota vehicles- equipped with all the above, even the basic Corolla. The car buying public tried and liked the Toyotas and Datsuns as they were then, eventually resulting in the closure of the Aussie motor industry.

South Australia used to have Chrysler and Holden assembly plants along with their component suppliers, Appliance manufacturers, clothing manufacturers and other small businesses, most of which are now gone, cheaper to make overseas and import than make locally.

It's a real shame, but maybe if the local item had equivalent features and quality to the imported one we would have been happy to buy that.

I guess we all wonder what the future holds, only time will tell.
 
Apparently, there are a lot of folks too busy looking at their phones and social media to notice the decline.
 
The education system in America is at fault in part as well. The dual income society changed most of that.
When the teachers began to replace some of the parenting roles that had been commonplace a generation earlier, the gates were opened. These changes first appeared when saying anything religious in school was removed, including the removal of "In God We Trust" from the pledge of allegiance. I believe most schools don't even say the pledge anymore.
Then there was elimination of industrial arts classes, as most academics felt it is better to go to college, and going into a trade was somehow not a worthy path to follow. Cursive writing is now a thing of the past in most schools curriculum. How was this a good idea. Please clue me in, and don't tell me it's because of technology. Everyone needs to know how to write.
There are kids in HS today that can't read at the second grade level. When did flunking a grade because of poor grades stop? These kids are passed onto the next grade level through their administrators, without any regard to their ability function intelligently. They have created a society of failures.
When making it to college, many of the kids are incapable learning at a college level, and are taught in the most part, a one sided view of whatever the professor is teaching, or has chosen to teach.
As a parent, who decides what these professors teach? If these parents OK spending tuition for their kids, on classes like the Sociology of Miley Cyrus, How to watch Television, Lady Gaga: the Sociology of Fame, or Learning from YouTube, I suppose it's their money, but in my opinion, what do these parents expect their kids to gain from these "college courses" that will land them a well paying job?
The HS drop out rate epidemic in the United States is not because the children are dumb, it's because the teachers today don't teach or have any contact with the family to seek their involvement. In essence, they've given up.

You know why, Timmer?

CUZ SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY, EVERYBODY GOT SOOOO WORRIED ABOUT HURT FEELINGS.

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I guess my question is: with all of the folks in Texas having access to guns, open carry, why nobody took the guy out? Instead, as usual, it appears to fall on Law Enforcement to show up. 35% of folks in Texas have guns.... . .

Uh. . . As in most of these mass shootings, the WalMart where this shooting occurred is a "gun free zone." I wonder if WalMart is now checking into why the gunman didn't obey their rule. . . Didn't he see the sign?
 
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