68' 300 Exhaust

nadocor66

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Need exhaust for my 68' 300. Has a 74' 440. What is the best header/exhaust system? Engine is stock. 3:21 rear. Will convert to FI. Not looking for noise. Looking for efficiency, mileage, ease of maintenance. Best header brand for this application. Stainless exhaust? Thank you in advance, Ray
 
IF price-sonsciounce, have you priced headers lately? But my reference point is probably 60 years old by now, which was $69.95 for the "price leader brand" which sold mostly to Chevy people back then. That was also back when header installation took a ball pein hammer to "dimple for clearance" various header tubes, too.

What is under the car now? Factory duals or factory single or muffler shop whatever?
 
Headers and "ease of maintenance" usually don't go together in my experience.

For my Fury, I put some decent (HP) manifolds on and installed a TTI 2.5" dual exhaust kit almost 20 years ago. It's still holding up nicely and i've had it in and out a few times, about 45k miles. Buy once cry once? 65-73 C-body Exhaust Systems

Otherwise, while I'm very happy with my manifolds and TTI exhaust, I hear lots good things about their headers (folks moan about price - see above). I'd spring for the coated ones and add O2 sensor bungs.

https://www.ttiexhaust.com/TTiC6573-440178.htm
 
Hi Ray,

Welcome to our forum we are happy to have you. Rob (or @1968Chryslers) can hopefully likely help you with ideas on this as he put new exhausts on a couple of his 68 300s that are on the quieter side…, BUT all of them DO NOT have headers either though. Yes, definitely a stainless system is the way to go. Thats all we have. Regarding headers, we’ve only got 1 set of headers on only one of our cars and the rest are manifolds. Its tti, and we like it but we had to beat on it a bit to fit. Other brands I heard that are good hookers and hedmans. We had hookers on another one of our cars we since sold, and those were good BUT the hung a little to low to the ground where they scrapped the ground if you went over a bump too fast. Here are a couple of posts to possibly help you out with a decision, best of luck….

Budget 440 headers


Header Recommendations?
 
My '67 300 with a 440 has a full TTI exhaust from headers all the way back, with an O2 sensor bung for my Holley Sniper. No issues after three years. Louder than stock but nowhere near obnoxious and does not drone at highway speeds.

Highly recommend TTI. The quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten.

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My '67 300 with a 440 has a full TTI exhaust from headers all the way back, with an O2 sensor bung for my Holley Sniper. No issues after three years. Louder than stock but nowhere near obnoxious and does not drone at highway speeds.

Highly recommend TTI. The quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten.
Is that 3" exhaust? Looks awesome!

Also, i always thought TTI put the O2 bung in the collector - i see now you decide either collector or reducer/adaptor - is one better than the other? Application specific (Holley instruction?)?
 
Looking for efficiency, mileage, ease of maintenance.
I have to agree with what's been said about headers not adding to "ease of maintenance". Having had cars with headers myself, the first time you have to change a starter, you'll see that the headers suddenly are a huge PITA. With your stock motor, there's probably little if nothing to gain with the headers as far as performance anyway. There's other things you can do that are a better "bang for the buck" performance wise.

On my '70 300 vert, I have TTI 2 1/2" exhaust with the HP exhaust manifolds. I did change from their "Turbo" mufflers to replacement Walker #21856 Cadillac mufflers when they got too loud for me after a few years.

With the limited use these cars get, I really can't see any reason for stainless steel, as my system is around 12 years old and almost looks like it's still new. YMMV.
 
In general, the word "Chevy" is usually involved when "headers" are mentioned. That has seemed to be where many people's experience or knowledge of "headers" comes from. Reason? Chevies NEED help in the area of exhaust manifolds. They did have some '60s Corvette cast iron Rams Horn manifolds with 2.50" outlets, but the normal version was more like 1 7/8" to 2.0" in diameter. NOT to mention their smaller pipe diameters. So, for power and efficiency, they need headers for best results.

Chrysler products, usually had better under-car systems (as to pipe diameters and muffler restrictions). As normal as the factory Chrysler exhaust manifolds might look, they were better than what GM used, from the looks of them, to me. TTI does have larger pipe diameters, front to rear and can make the lead pipes to fit the manifolds you are using.

By observation, ANY header with the collector under the floorpan WILL hang too low to not scrape things like speed bumps and such. Even some sharper entry aprons for businesses. Such things might seem minor things to put up with, BUT when you have to slow down to do those approaches and such, THAT means everybody behind you is having to alter their speed so they don't collide with your vehicle with headers. The "shorty" block-huggers that do not have collectors are better in that respect.

The shorter block-hugging headers are not much better than normal cast iron manifolds, as to the pipe length to the flange. Basically just getting the exhaust gasses to the flange and the head pipe with no tuning effect from individual pipe length. They will flow a bit better due to the smoothness of the inner pipe areas, but an Extrude Honed stock manifold would be very similar WITHOUT all of the hassles of headers. Header gaskets are also critical to get the reinforced, high-heat versions rather than the soft ones that used to come with the cheap headers of prior times. If the header bolts ever got loose, the gasket would blow out . . . more maintenance issues, so better to use the better ones to start with.

Years ago, somebody put a pressure/vacuum gauge on their exhaust system. They discovered that "back pressure" was nil until rpm got over about 3000rpm or so. Normal driving? Not enough to worry about. Under WOT power over 2500rpm or so (think 4bbl secondary opening in "passing gear"), then back pressure happened. Under normal highway cruise situations, not much real advantage in efficiency to headers.

The reason so many OEMs started using tubular exh manifolds was that the tubes were not the heat sink the cast iron manifolds were. More exh gas heat got to the cat converters quicker to get them fired-off for better cold start emissions performance. In a time when OEMs did not want to spend the money on heated oxy sensors. Maybe a few more horsepower, too, but by the time those few horsepower get to the rear wheels, (multiply the flywheel horsepower by .85 to approximate what gets to the rear wheels on a TorqueFlite equipped Chrysler product, from my figurings years ago). Can an additional 3 horsepower at the rear wheels really be felt and validated anywhere else than on a drag race track? Without knowing it's there?

So . . . chase down some Chrysler B/RB HP exh manifolds and get them extrude honed or just leave them normal internally. THEN save up for the TTI pipes and mufflers of your choice. The HP manifolds will look neat as the TTI pipes support them being there.

The EFI oxy sensor bungs need to be near the lead pipe flanges. Maybe 4" to 6" back, or whatever Holley recommends. It has been documented that self-learning EFI (fully learned) can add up to 2mpg on the highway, due to better fuel atomization, but NO additional horsepower at WOT. Also, no "4bbl feel" as 90% of the possible air flow capacity happens near 75% of total throttle opening. At least fo rthe 2bbl EFIs. Hard to justify the expense of the full-meal kit on fuel savings alone, to me. Other benefits do exist, though, in cold start performance and drivability.

Just some thoughts and observations. YMMV
CBODY67
 
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