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Carmine

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About two weeks ago, whilst driving my RMB home from work at my usual 75 mph clip, I began to feel a slight vibration. So I cut the speed down to something I felt would be more "safe" and prepared myself for the worst. Luckily the worst never came and I was able to drive the remaining 20 miles or so with my butt clenched. Eventually I made it off the freeway and by time I exited, you could see the steering wheel wobble back/forth about an inch in each direction.

I thought, "oh great, I'm gonna have to climb under this thing and find the bad tire." Well I can say at least I didn't have to put much effort into that, for it was fairly obvious once I saw the steel belts hanging out of the tread.

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I knew these tires were pretty old when I bought the car... Guessing from the 90s at best. I figured it was time to knuckle down and buy a new set. But I didn't want to go through that hassle and mount them on the 6 or 6.5" rims that came with the car. I shopped around for some 7" or 8" rims without much luck. The price of new steel wagon wheels (that will accept a wheel cover) is NUTS... Something like $85+ each.

With the WPC swap coming up, I let the RMB sit in the driveway like a wounded buffalo for a lil over a week. (That dead tire held air for an amazingly long amount of time.) The only thing I found at the swap was this $200 mis-matched set (2)6.5" & (2)7" painted lime green. No tires. Looks like somebody bought them, mounted two tires to hide the difference, and it trying to flip them for $300.

15 Mopar Steelies Stock OEM Wheels with BFG Tires

But I digress... While I was measuring a different set, a guy walked up to me and asked if I wanted to buy some rims outside the swap. Like a drug deal, but with rims instead I guess. $50 later, or $12.50 each, and I had a set of genuine Mopar po-po rims! For another $357.00 I had a set of Made-in-USA "mastercraft" (Cooper) 235/75 whitewalls.

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Shout out to Gratiot Wheel and Tire! These are my go-to guys for tire needs. They'll mount/balance whatever I bring them for $40, but in this case they had a far better price than I could have even gotten online.

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I had gotten the idea that Kumho (Korea) was the only game in town for whitewalls. Was very happy to find these Made-in-Ohio tires at a great price ($317 before the mounting). Now I'm sorta thinking that I might like to stock up before they become "old-tymey-only" and cost $317 each from Coker. Put them in plastic bags and bury them in the yard or something.

Anybody ever think about doing a group buy? I'm wondering what we could get the price down to with some volume? I can't really comment on their performance yet, but I've had Coopers in the past with zero complaints.
 
Says where, not who though.

701 Lima Ave
Findlay, OH 45840
419-423-1321
Mailing Address:
P.O. Box 550
Findlay, OH 45839-0550
Products: Tires
 
Says where, not who though.

701 Lima Ave
Findlay, OH 45840
419-423-1321
Mailing Address:
P.O. Box 550
Findlay, OH 45839-0550
Products: Tires

Which is why I asked...... I would think guys here would like to know the American maker of white wall tires
 
About two weeks ago, whilst driving my RMB home from work at my usual 75 mph clip, I began to feel a slight vibration. So I cut the speed down to something I felt would be more "safe" and prepared myself for the worst. Luckily the worst never came and I was able to drive the remaining 20 miles or so with my butt clenched. Eventually I made it off the freeway and by time I exited, you could see the steering wheel wobble back/forth about an inch in each direction.

I thought, "oh great, I'm gonna have to climb under this thing and find the bad tire." Well I can say at least I didn't have to put much effort into that, for it was fairly obvious once I saw the steel belts hanging out of the tread.

IMG_20170203_163607_zpss9stmbi4.jpg


I knew these tires were pretty old when I bought the car... Guessing from the 90s at best. I figured it was time to knuckle down and buy a new set. But I didn't want to go through that hassle and mount them on the 6 or 6.5" rims that came with the car. I shopped around for some 7" or 8" rims without much luck. The price of new steel wagon wheels (that will accept a wheel cover) is NUTS... Something like $85+ each.

With the WPC swap coming up, I let the RMB sit in the driveway like a wounded buffalo for a lil over a week. (That dead tire held air for an amazingly long amount of time.) The only thing I found at the swap was this $200 mis-matched set (2)6.5" & (2)7" painted lime green. No tires. Looks like somebody bought them, mounted two tires to hide the difference, and it trying to flip them for $300.

15 Mopar Steelies Stock OEM Wheels with BFG Tires

But I digress... While I was measuring a different set, a guy walked up to me and asked if I wanted to buy some rims outside the swap. Like a drug deal, but with rims instead I guess. $50 later, or $12.50 each, and I had a set of genuine Mopar po-po rims! For another $357.00 I had a set of Made-in-USA "mastercraft" (Cooper) 235/75 whitewalls.

IMG_20170203_163012_zpsrkm7m9zz.jpg


Shout out to Gratiot Wheel and Tire! These are my go-to guys for tire needs. They'll mount/balance whatever I bring them for $40, but in this case they had a far better price than I could have even gotten online.

IMG_20170203_163004_zpsjle00kvi.jpg


I had gotten the idea that Kumho (Korea) was the only game in town for whitewalls. Was very happy to find these Made-in-Ohio tires at a great price ($317 before the mounting). Now I'm sorta thinking that I might like to stock up before they become "old-tymey-only" and cost $317 each from Coker. Put them in plastic bags and bury them in the yard or something.

Anybody ever think about doing a group buy? I'm wondering what we could get the price down to with some volume? I can't really comment on their performance yet, but I've had Coopers in the past with zero complaints.

Hey Carmine, thank you for the post... I see the Coopers are still available. Not that I have any particular love or hate of the brand... I have evolved to my more tropical environment. I see a real need for wet traction from my tires as a good hard rain can come pretty fast here. I also see a need for high temperature ratings.

The reason I'm mentioning this, I recall you once mentioning grinding RWL's into WSW's and I am curious about your results and thoughts on the matter. The last several sets I purchased were Michelin LTX MS/2 and come with a RWL. I am considering a new set before summer just to take the age factor out of the equation for my hot highway travels. Shorter more local trips wouldn't really matter as much to me.

The UTOG of 440AB on the Trendsetter(same as yours I'm sure), doesn't make me nearly as happy as the 800AA the Defender LTX M/S has... plus the Michelin I am seeking is an XL tire, which I feel is more appropriate for our big heavy cars and what I also run on my C1500 'burb.

I am aware I have overkill tendencies... but at $50 more per tire... worth it to me to hopefully avoid a wet road or hot road tire issue... my sheet metal matters more to me than WSW's. I also am thinking towards rotating my takeoff's into service on my other vehicles and as spares.

Thought's and experience?
 
I see the Coopers are still available.
Not entirely correct.
There's a lot of confusion on this.
Cooper discontinued their 235/75-15 Whitewall.
The MasterCraft is another label Cooper makes.
Mastercraft has a 235/75-15 Whitewall.
The Cooper 235/75-15 Blackwall has a different manufacturer's stock number than the old Cooper Whitewall BUT....
Many catalogs still show the old Cooper Whitewall illustration for that Cooper Blackwall number.
Order the Cooper wilth the pretty Whitewall picture and Blackwalls will get delivered.
You want Cooper Whitewalls? Order the MasterCrafts.

I haven't a clue why Cooper did this but I'm sure it's some 24 year old coke snorting MBA in the Marketing Division screwing things up.
 
I haven't a clue why Cooper did this but I'm sure it's some 24 year old coke snorting MBA in the Marketing Division screwing things up.

Lol, you are probably correct. Can't have the brand associated with building an antique product like whitewalls! Can't have names on cars like New Yorker, Towncar or Deville... Should be LHS, MKS and CT6.

FWIW, I've had Cooper Cobras on a few different cars. They were nothing better or worse than Radial T/A's.
 
Hey Carmine, thank you for the post... I see the Coopers are still available. Not that I have any particular love or hate of the brand... I have evolved to my more tropical environment. I see a real need for wet traction from my tires as a good hard rain can come pretty fast here. I also see a need for high temperature ratings.

The reason I'm mentioning this, I recall you once mentioning grinding RWL's into WSW's and I am curious about your results and thoughts on the matter. The last several sets I purchased were Michelin LTX MS/2 and come with a RWL. I am considering a new set before summer just to take the age factor out of the equation for my hot highway travels. Shorter more local trips wouldn't really matter as much to me.

The UTOG of 440AB on the Trendsetter(same as yours I'm sure), doesn't make me nearly as happy as the 800AA the Defender LTX M/S has... plus the Michelin I am seeking is an XL tire, which I feel is more appropriate for our big heavy cars and what I also run on my C1500 'burb.

I am aware I have overkill tendencies... but at $50 more per tire... worth it to me to hopefully avoid a wet road or hot road tire issue... my sheet metal matters more to me than WSW's. I also am thinking towards rotating my takeoff's into service on my other vehicles and as spares.

Thought's and experience?


First of all, there is always some pushback from folks who disagree with taking a grinder to the sidewall of a tire. That's for you to decide. My view is like this.. Both the white rubber and the black laid over it are cosmetic. The white is something like 1/8" thick, (the raised portion being even thicker) the black maybe 1/32". I'm sure we've all seen white letter tires (usually on soccermom SUVs) that have been ground into whitewalls by curbs and people who can't park. I wonder if any of those ever get denied a safety inspection? Never heard of them blowing out. Like anything else, going too far would ruin the tire and render it unsafe. But that could happen if you don't have the brains to tighten lug nuts either.

Second if you want to try this, I highly recommend buying a cheap RWL used tire and having it mounted on a rim that you can spin with your own car. Get the feel for how rubber "sands". It's honestly not that far off from sanding wood on a lathe, but it still takes practice. Watch a lot of the youtube videos for more tips. I heard the disks with holes in them are useful, and that makes sense. The finer a sandpaper you finish with, the easier they'll be to keep clean. I usually finish with 150 grit.

When I prep a car to spin the tires, I usually place it nose-against some kind of structure or another car. That way, in the unlikely event it should ever get free, it would hopefully stall or just sit there, rather than building speed. I place the car in 1st gear so it won't upshift. If you have an open rear axle, you'll need to wedge the other tire so it won't spin. Since I only raise the tire about 2" off the ground, I use an old tennis shoe, that way if it should come loose it's not like throwing a brick or a 2x4. My experience says you'll need about 1200 rpm on the engine to get the best speed for turning the rubber.

PS: If you try this trick on a newer car with traction control, you'll need tot turn it off. :)
 
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Not entirely correct.
There's a lot of confusion on this.
Cooper discontinued their 235/75-15 Whitewall.
The MasterCraft is another label Cooper makes.
Mastercraft has a 235/75-15 Whitewall.
The Cooper 235/75-15 Blackwall has a different manufacturer's stock number than the old Cooper Whitewall BUT....
Many catalogs still show the old Cooper Whitewall illustration for that Cooper Blackwall number.
Order the Cooper wilth the pretty Whitewall picture and Blackwalls will get delivered.
You want Cooper Whitewalls? Order the MasterCrafts.

I haven't a clue why Cooper did this but I'm sure it's some 24 year old coke snorting MBA in the Marketing Division screwing things up.
Not saying your wrong... this is from Cooper's own site... IDK what they would actual sell me if I went to find a retailer.

Sizes & Specs
Trendsetter SE™
Tire Size Service Description UTQG Load Range Sidewall Approved Rim Width Measured Rim Width Section Width Overall Diameter Tread Width Max Load Tread Depth (1/32")
P155/80R13 79S 440 A B STD BLK 4 - 5 4.5 6.1 22.76 3.9 959 9.5
P175/70R13 82S 440 A B STD BLK 4.5 - 6 5 7 22.68 4.88 1036 10
P185/70R13 85S 440 A B STD BLK 4.5 - 6 5.5 7.4 23.23 5.12 1135 10
P185/75R14 89S 440 A B STD BLK 4.5 - 6 5 7.2 24.8 4.61 1290 10
P195/75R14 92S 440 A B STD BLK 5 - 6.5 5.5 7.6 25.39 4.88 1400 10
P205/75R14 95S 440 A B STD BLK 5 - 7 5.5 8 25.94 5.12 1532 10.5
P175/70R14 84S 440 A B STD BLK 4.5 - 6 5 6.9 23.19 4.88 1102 10
P185/70R14 87S 440 A B STD BLK 4.5 - 6 5.5 7.4 24.21 5.12 1201 10
P195/70R14 90S 440 A B STD BLK 5 - 6.5 6 7.8 24.76 5.39 1312 10
P205/70R14 93S 440 A B STD BLK 5 - 7 6 8.1 25.28 5.59 1433 10
P215/70R14 96S 440 A B STD BLK 5.5 - 7 6.5 8.6 25.79 5.91 1554 10
P175/65R14 81S 440 A B STD BLK 5 - 6 5 6.9 22.91 5 1019 10
P185/65R14 85S 440 A B STD BLK 5 - 6.5 5.5 7.4 23.35 5.35 1124 10
P205/75R15 97S 440 A B STD WSW 5 - 7 5.5 8 26.97 5.12 1598 10.5
P215/75R15 100S 440 A B STD WSW 5.5 - 7 6 8.4 27.56 5.39 1742 10.5

P225/75R15 102S 440 A B STD BLK 6 - 7.5 6 8.7 28.03 5.59 1874 10.5
P235/75R15 105S 440 A B STD WSW 6 - 8 6.5 9.1 28.66 5.91 2028 11
P205/70R15 95S 440 A B STD WSW 5 - 7 6 8.1 26.3 5.59 1499 10

P205/70R15 95S 440 A B STD BLK 5 - 7 6 8.1 26.3 5.59 1499 10
P215/70R15 97S 440 A B STD WSW 5.5 - 7 6.5 8.6 26.77 5.91 1620 10
P225/70R15 100S 440 A B STD BLK 6 - 7.5 6.5 8.9 27.28 6.14 1753 10
P195/65R15 89S 440 A B STD BLK 5.5 - 7 6 7.8 24.88 5.71 1279 10
P205/65R15 92S 440 A B STD BLK 5.5 - 7.5 6 8.1 25.24 5.87 1400 10
P215/65R15 95S 440 A B STD BLK 6 - 7.5 6.5 8.7 25.87 6.38 1510 10
P215/60R16 94S 440 A B STD BLK 6 - 7.5 6.5 8.5 25.98 6.42 1477 10
P225/60R16 97S 440 A B STD BLK 6 - 8 6.5 8.8 26.54 6.61 1609 10
P205/55R16 89S 440 A B STD BLK 5.5 - 7.5 6.5 8.3 24.76 7.09 1279 10
 
Wheels Look Good, Mr. Carmine. Are you going to use Police Dog Dishes?
 
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