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here is another ugly treated 71 Monaco.
Same colour
Same colour
Medina, a 1971 T-code Monaco
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Hi, Carsten, two thoughts:
1. my friend, are you calling Medina ugly? All because of a stripe on her beautifully shaped rear?
2. Thank you for the photo. I’ve seen pics of that car before, do you have more info?
1. my friend, are you calling Medina ugly? All because of a stripe on her beautifully shaped rear?
2. Thank you for the photo. I’ve seen pics of that car before, do you have more info?
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71Polara383
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Ditch the RT badges and keep the hood body color and that's a sweet car!
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sorry Wyatt that ******* hood scoop belongs on a 69 A12 car and nothing else.
No Fuselage C-body needs a hoodscoop
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Hi, Carsten, two thoughts:
1. my friend, are you calling Medina ugly? All because of a stripe on her beautifully shaped rear?
2. Thank you for the photo. I’ve seen pics of that car before, do you have more info?
yes, the stripe in the back is a horrible thing to look at.
Despite that it is a nice car.
If needed I would buy burgundy paint and roll the white stripe burgundy immidiatly
Carsten
71Polara383
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That's the only scoop I think that somewhat works on a fuselage Dodge. You dont need to cuss at me jeez.
71Polara383
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I'm not completely against that one. But I'd have to see it in person.
Gotta remember I scooped a 79 Cordoba...
At least is not this one in the last pic...
Gotta remember I scooped a 79 Cordoba...
At least is not this one in the last pic...
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no ofense meant against you Wyatt
Just my expression of the feelings I have about hoodscoops on Fusies
71Polara383
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I agree and disagree. The dual scoops like a or b body are too small for the hood. The only one that remotely fits is the 6 pack scoop in my opinion. But I have only seen pics. I need to see it in person to determine. But thanks to the C body education I have received in my little over 2 years here on FCBO...I'll probably hate it in person.no ofense meant against you Wyatt
Just my expression of the feelings I have about hoodscoops on Fusies
polara71
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That was really bugging you. You gotta relax, it's not all bad out there.
I had a short window, dictated by the weather and my work commitments, for when I could buy the car. Unable to check out that all the numbers matched, I made a bet that this car was mostly original despite the air cleaner -- which as discussed before does not look original.
In large part, it seems to be as it came out of the factory. I won the biggest part of my bet as the engine IS numbers-matching. But I lost the bet about the transmission, because the latter is not original -- the stamping is from a '73 (see the picture that @71Polara383 sent me this afternoon). As Wyatt pointed out, the big deal for matching numbers is the engine -- so overall I still think that I did well.
I'll make a separate post about what I may do with the tranny.
I already knew that some things were not original (beside the color and the stripe), so I am trying to take this setback in stride. The broadcast sheet (which Wyatt found today, another bet won -- yeah!) is revealing some things I wanted to know:
1. a non-OEM mirror was added on the RHS, and the original LHS mirror was replaced by one matching the addition.
--> Perfect? nope. Fixable? Yes, and if/when I repaint the car the mirrors will go and be replaced by OEM ones.
2. the steering wheel should have been a rim-blow unit (since my car has the A07 package), so in the photo that @'69FuryIIIConvertible sent to me when he went to see the car, its wheel did not seem right to me. Indeed it is not, as the build sheet shows that Medina originally had a black-on-black (66X9 and 67X9 codes for the rim and the pad) non-tilt rimblow wheel (S83 code -- see the attached excerpt from the 1971 Dodge data book, courtesy of the Hamtramck registry which shows what the S-83 wheel looks like).
--> Perfect? nope. Fixable? Yes:
(i) if/when I repaint the car I'll redo the seats, and then I plan to find the right steering wheel;
(ii) meanwhile, the steering wheel currently on the car is not one that would ever have been on a Monaco -- it looks like the basic Polara wheel (see the attached photo taken by Nick). I suspect that the original wheel gave the owner at the time some issues, and the current one was a cheap fix. I may therefore replace the wheel by the woodgrain standard Monaco wheel (incorrect for my A07 car but trouble-free and at least not glaringly incorrect for a Monaco). If the right standard wheel can be found at the right price, I'll swap it (maybe -- the woodgrain does not really match the dashboard, as shown in this photo of Dave's GK6)
3. the factory bestowed a single exhaust on Medina. The current owner replaced it with a dual setup (straight hookup to the original manifolds). I am ambivalent about the duals in that, although they are not original, I must admit that the setup sounds pretty good (as in, bad-***).
--> Perfect? Nope. Fixable? If I have the will... At the very least, though, I'll get the right curve for the tips and make adjustments so they look more OEM.
4. the radio is a puzzle. In a photo sent to me by Nick when he looked at the car form me, the radio seems to be an AM/FM radio (code R21). However, the fender tag and build sheet both say that Medina should have the deluxe AM radio code (code R13).
--> Why? Don't know. Wyatt tells me that the radio works, so I am not really worried that I have a better OEM radio than I "should"
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I had a short window, dictated by the weather and my work commitments, for when I could buy the car. Unable to check out that all the numbers matched, I made a bet that this car was mostly original despite the air cleaner -- which as discussed before does not look original.
In large part, it seems to be as it came out of the factory. I won the biggest part of my bet as the engine IS numbers-matching. But I lost the bet about the transmission, because the latter is not original -- the stamping is from a '73 (see the picture that @71Polara383 sent me this afternoon). As Wyatt pointed out, the big deal for matching numbers is the engine -- so overall I still think that I did well.
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I'll make a separate post about what I may do with the tranny.
I already knew that some things were not original (beside the color and the stripe), so I am trying to take this setback in stride. The broadcast sheet (which Wyatt found today, another bet won -- yeah!) is revealing some things I wanted to know:
View attachment 260425
1. a non-OEM mirror was added on the RHS, and the original LHS mirror was replaced by one matching the addition.
--> Perfect? nope. Fixable? Yes, and if/when I repaint the car the mirrors will go and be replaced by OEM ones.
2. the steering wheel should have been a rim-blow unit (since my car has the A07 package), so in the photo that @'69FuryIIIConvertible sent to me when he went to see the car, its wheel did not seem right to me. Indeed it is not, as the build sheet shows that Medina originally had a black-on-black (66X9 and 67X9 codes for the rim and the pad) non-tilt rimblow wheel (S83 code -- see the attached excerpt from the 1971 Dodge data book, courtesy of the Hamtramck registry which shows what the S-83 wheel looks like).
--> Perfect? nope. Fixable? Yes:
(i) if/when I repaint the car I'll redo the seats, and then I plan to find the right steering wheel;
(ii) meanwhile, the steering wheel currently on the car is not one that would ever have been on a Monaco -- it looks like the basic Polara wheel (see the attached photo taken by Nick). I suspect that the original wheel gave the owner at the time some issues, and the current one was a cheap fix. I may therefore replace the wheel by the woodgrain standard Monaco wheel (incorrect for my A07 car but trouble-free and at least not glaringly incorrect for a Monaco). If the right standard wheel can be found at the right price, I'll swap it (maybe -- the woodgrain does not really match the dashboard, as shown in this photo of Dave's GK6)
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View attachment 260426
3. the factory bestowed a single exhaust on Medina. The current owner replaced it with a dual setup (straight hookup to the original manifolds). I am ambivalent about the duals in that, although they are not original, I must admit that the setup sounds pretty good (as in, bad-***).
--> Perfect? Nope. Fixable? If I have the will... At the very least, though, I'll get the right curve for the tips and make adjustments so they look more OEM.
4. the radio is a puzzle. In a photo sent to me by Nick when he looked at the car form me, the radio seems to be an AM/FM radio (code R21). However, the fender tag and build sheet both say that Medina should have the deluxe AM radio code (code R13).
--> Why? Don't know. Wyatt tells me that the radio works, so I am not really worried that I have a better OEM radio than I "should"
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I agree with Wyatt that a numbers matching engine is much more important than a numbers transmission - pretty minor as are all the other issues in my view as well. I too would leave the am/fm radio - as you said, it works and it fits the same slot in the dash as the R13 AM one. Finding the build sheet is a real plus too. You did real well!
polara71
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I had a short window, dictated by the weather and my work commitments, for when I could buy the car. Unable to check out that all the numbers matched, I made a bet that this car was mostly original despite the air cleaner -- which as discussed before does not look original.
In large part, it seems to be as it came out of the factory. I won the biggest part of my bet as the engine IS numbers-matching. But I lost the bet about the transmission, because the latter is not original -- the stamping is from a '73 (see the picture that @71Polara383 sent me this afternoon). As Wyatt pointed out, the big deal for matching numbers is the engine -- so overall I still think that I did well.
View attachment 260424
I'll make a separate post about what I may do with the tranny.
I already knew that some things were not original (beside the color and the stripe), so I am trying to take this setback in stride. The broadcast sheet (which Wyatt found today, another bet won -- yeah!) is revealing some things I wanted to know:
View attachment 260425
1. a non-OEM mirror was added on the RHS, and the original LHS mirror was replaced by one matching the addition.
--> Perfect? nope. Fixable? Yes, and if/when I repaint the car the mirrors will go and be replaced by OEM ones.
2. the steering wheel should have been a rim-blow unit (since my car has the A07 package), so in the photo that @'69FuryIIIConvertible sent to me when he went to see the car, its wheel did not seem right to me. Indeed it is not, as the build sheet shows that Medina originally had a black-on-black (66X9 and 67X9 codes for the rim and the pad) non-tilt rimblow wheel (S83 code -- see the attached excerpt from the 1971 Dodge data book, courtesy of the Hamtramck registry which shows what the S-83 wheel looks like).
--> Perfect? nope. Fixable? Yes:
(i) if/when I repaint the car I'll redo the seats, and then I plan to find the right steering wheel;
(ii) meanwhile, the steering wheel currently on the car is not one that would ever have been on a Monaco -- it looks like the basic Polara wheel (see the attached photo taken by Nick). I suspect that the original wheel gave the owner at the time some issues, and the current one was a cheap fix. I may therefore replace the wheel by the woodgrain standard Monaco wheel (incorrect for my A07 car but trouble-free and at least not glaringly incorrect for a Monaco). If the right standard wheel can be found at the right price, I'll swap it (maybe -- the woodgrain does not really match the dashboard, as shown in this photo of Dave's GK6)
View attachment 260427
View attachment 260426
3. the factory bestowed a single exhaust on Medina. The current owner replaced it with a dual setup (straight hookup to the original manifolds). I am ambivalent about the duals in that, although they are not original, I must admit that the setup sounds pretty good (as in, bad-***).
--> Perfect? Nope. Fixable? If I have the will... At the very least, though, I'll get the right curve for the tips and make adjustments so they look more OEM.
4. the radio is a puzzle. In a photo sent to me by Nick when he looked at the car form me, the radio seems to be an AM/FM radio (code R21). However, the fender tag and build sheet both say that Medina should have the deluxe AM radio code (code R13).
--> Why? Don't know. Wyatt tells me that the radio works, so I am not really worried that I have a better OEM radio than I "should"
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All of that wouldn't have mattered to me as the price was reasonable for a 2 door with white bucket seats inside of a solid Dodge C. I appreciate your obsessive compulsive tendencies about your cars.
Some observations and comments.
The bucket seats in your Monaco are the same pattern as used in the 71 Sport Fury.
An AM/FM radio with knobs vs. thumbwheels would be from a 72 - 73 Fury or Polara/Monaco.
The rim blow steering wheels were problematic. They cracked easily and the rim blow switches failed on a regular basis. If it were mine I would just put the correct wood-grain center on the existing steering wheel.
Have you determined if the stripe is painted on or is a decal?
The bucket seats in your Monaco are the same pattern as used in the 71 Sport Fury.
An AM/FM radio with knobs vs. thumbwheels would be from a 72 - 73 Fury or Polara/Monaco.
The rim blow steering wheels were problematic. They cracked easily and the rim blow switches failed on a regular basis. If it were mine I would just put the correct wood-grain center on the existing steering wheel.
Have you determined if the stripe is painted on or is a decal?
Thank you for the info. Several follow-up questions and a reply:
--> seats: my memory is that no one carries a ready-made foam/vinyl kit -- correct?
--> radio: I am puzzled -- the following radio was pulled from a 1971 Chrysler 300, and to my eyes it looks to be the same as Medina's? I have found a page with information re: year-correct radios for E-bodies, but none for C-bodies. Pointers appreciated.
--> we are on the same page re: the steering wheel. (EDIT: Wyatt tells me he has the right insert, and that it should be a straight swap between the black insert I have and the "wood" one -- I'll look at what looks best to me and decide accordingly).
--> stripe is painted. If it were a stick-on, it'd already be gone. Sorry to say, but a painted stripe ain't going away till I repaint the car properly -- it does not bother me enough that I want to spend money on it. I think of the current paint job (in a color I actually like) as a "wrap" that will protect the car till I decide to take the plunge and redo it.
As Dave and Steve have said, I got what seems to be an excellent and rare driver at a good price. I'll treat it with care so that it becomes and remains a reliable driver (thanks to Wyatt's help and Steve’s advice, we are replacing the heater control valve and attending some minor leaks -- the steering box is wet, ditto for the differential) but I will use Medina as I had intended, i.e., as a driver to shows — some of them long distances. I plan to change little that does not need changing till the time comes when the car gets (from me, or from a future owner with similar passion) the proper restoration that it deserves.
Meanwhile, I am accumulating the information I need and very much appreciating all comments -- good or bad, please keep them coming!
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Duncan
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I could live with the stripe, but it is nice knowing it will be going away. It's better than one of those horrible hood scoops. Nice car!
Given the miles on the Monaco, the wet steering box is probably just a worn input shaft seal - only takes maybe 30 minutes to change in the car with the right tool.
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