The People Have Spoken...

[CanCritter]

l woulda been toast honestly...the first time dealing with it bankrupt me because l couldn't work re chemo ect ect...the rest l was somewhat prepared for...if l hadn't of had coverage the GT and 70 woulda never ever happened and l wouldn't be here to ........
l count my blessings every morning good or bad.

 

[MoPar Maniac]

Should taxpayers be made to pay for it or should we take responsibility for ourselves and purchase catastrophic i surance for these occasions?

 

[67Monaco]

My take on it, I'd rather Uncle Sugar stay out of it. At least primary insurance. Having said that, I'd be all for good ol' US being single payer for catastrophic illnesses. The problem becomes what's catastrophic, who decides, how do you prevent condition creep? What I view as catastrophic may not be the same for what today's snowflakes deem catastrophic.

Yes taxes would have to increase, it goes against every fiber of my being but I think it would be the only way to make sure people are taken care of in the time of ultimate need.

 

[CanCritter]

with all the coin government's are rakeing in offa us this question should be a no brainer......

 

[70bigblockdodge]

Should taxpayers be made to pay for it or should we take responsibility for ourselves and purchase catastrophic i surance for these occasions?

Does not matter. You should be able to purchase it not be thrown off because you got sick. You were already paying for low or no income healthcare since the 40s. Yes I think you should quite your job and go get all the free stuff you can I'm sure that is a great and fun time guaranteed. Lastly please make a YouTube video of you telling someone you care very much for that once they run out of money they are going to die and that you think that is best because you needed to save like $15 on your income tax and a couple hundred on your insurance. I would love to watch that like a train wreck.

 

[67Monaco]

Does not matter. You should be able to purchase it not be thrown off because you got sick. You were already paying for low or no income healthcare since the 40s. Yes I think you should quite your job and go get all the free stuff you can I'm sure that is a great and fun time guaranteed. Lastly please make a YouTube video of you telling someone you care very much for that once they run out of money they are going to die and that you think that is best because you needed to save like $15 on your income tax and a couple hundred on your insurance. I would love to watch that like a train wreck.

SO... If people have more taken out of their paycheck every month so you get to keep healthcare coverage, do they still suck?


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[70bigblockdodge]

SO... If people have more taken out of their paycheck every month so you get to keep healthcare coverage, do they still suck?


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Why does my ability to buy coverage have any effect on their check.
Unless they are taking it out and sending it directly to me yeah they probably still suck.

 

[cantflip]

I would say every American should have a government provided C-Body.

And if Obama was still POTUS....all of our friends outside the U.S. would automatically get a U.S. government provided C-Body too.

I'd like mine to be a Formal, please...

As I said you do not have the RIGHT to insurance. What fedgov can give fedgov can also take away.
With auto insurance they cant cancel your coverage but they can raise the premiums.
If you want the right to have insurance change CotUS. Thing is...who pays for it? And what about people who pay no taxes? Should I be forced to pay for them? If so why dont I just stop working? I get everything for free now. What happens when everyone does it? As it is now almost 50% dont pay in. And ya wonder why government is so expensive.

I can't speak to your organization... the cheap idiots I work for took OC as an easy excuse to kill a nice insurance package and replace it with one that has gotten a little worse every year. I was thinking the last time around that I would be far better off with my own OC policy... Of course when Billary was in last, they F'ed up my policies too... funny how things like insurance never really seem to get cheaper, I would settle for something where a flu doesn't cost $3-400 just because I decided I needed antibiotics...

BTW, my organization is self insured... the provider is simply a smokescreen to make appear they have no control and handle billing.

 

[67Monaco]

Why does my ability to buy coverage have any effect on their check.
Unless they are taking it out and sending it directly to me yeah they probably still suck.

I only said it because of "they run out of money they are going to die and that you think that is best because you needed to save like $15 on your income tax".

But, fair enough.

 

[70bigblockdodge]

I only said it because of "they run out of money they are going to die and that you think that is best because you needed to save like $15 on your income tax".

But, fair enough.

I'm not sweating the $15 but some people think that if the govt saves money they will have loads more in their check, reasonable people know that if the deficit was zero and the budget balanced you might get a tax reduction if you make more than $350000/year. Me it will have no effect.
Besides the first two items are not happening in my lifetime no matter how many cuts they make.
I want someone who no matter how you argue the point still tells me that when I run out of money I die (fair enough he does not know me or care) because it's not the govt or his responsibility to help me out or at least agree that I should have the opportunity to buy insurance. I was merely saying I want to see them say that to someone they care about to their face you die! Do that and you win the argument

 

[saforwardlook]

It would be really refreshing if some of the folks who keep lobbying on this site for us to accept less and less and (by default) apparently that the very wealthy should get more and more, really ought to read up on the subject of wealth inequality in the U.S. Wikipedia is a pretty balanced source of information, so why not take maybe 30 minutes of your time and read through it and educate yourselves instead of just parroting what your favorite politicians and news media pundits are telling you:

Wealth inequality in the United States - Wikipedia

I personally am tired of hearing that the cost of medicare and social security is crippling our economy and that health care for all would be too expensive - and I am tired of hearing and seeing beady-eyed Paul Ryan tell me that we should accept a "premium" health care system instead of the ACA (you will get screwed by his "premium" system) and that we need to get ready for cuts to medicare to balance the budget in the future. How come other much less wealthy countries can afford health care for all and we can't?

Why are the few guys on this site that talk about us not having "rights" to insurance not more concerned about the richest taking all the wealth and paying relatively little in taxes so they can live their lavish lifestyles? Taxes fund a good portion of social security and medicare and since there isn't enough money from taxes, then we have to make cuts, so says Paul Ryan and his band of crooks. I would rather not cut medicare and social security (that I have paid into all my working life for as well), so that the likes of Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner can live even more lavish lifestyles than they already do - rather I would rather see the extremely wealthy take a cut in their wealth so the rest of us dummines can survive when we get sick or have enough to live off of when we are old. And I wouldn't mind if corporations cared less about achieving their shareholders' demands for ever more return on investment, thereby shipping jobs out of the country where labor rates are lower, instead of keeping plants in the U.S. and giving workers here in the U.S. a decent wage instead. Why all this deference to the very rich while so many of us are living in the street and own nothing?

I am old enough to remember when this country worked a lot better than it does now and we weren't struggling so much to earn so little, with ever increasing risks due to health or income as we age. People really need to wake up. We have been had and continue to be!

 

[78Brougham]

Better question is... why did President Johnson take all the money from a locked box...(Social Security) and dump it into the general fund? Perhaps it was to fund his ambitions with the Vietnam war? Even better question is, why hasn't any other president moved it back? And protected US for our future.
As far as the rich are concerned... lets say you make 1 milion dollars and your tax rate is ....after all your deductions is 30 percent you pay $333,000 in taxes isn't that fair enough? That's one third of your earnings! And that's like 5 times more than the average person makes gross one year... And yet you want more "Equality"? If you make $100,000 and your rate is 30 percent you pay $33,000 isn't that enough? But,the farther you go down the "food chain" the less and less percentage you have to pay! What the hell are you talking about?
Oh and by the way, Presidents Johnson's "Great Society" movement, has cost us more than 15 Trillion over the past 50 years And guess what.... there are even more people living in poverty than EVER BEFORE! So where did that get us?

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

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As far as the rich are concerned... lets say you make 1 milion dollars and your tax rate is ....after all your deductions is 30 percent you pay $333,000 in taxes isn't that fair enough? That's one third of your earnings! And that's like 5 times more than the average person makes gross one year... And yet you want more "Equality"? If you make $100,000 and your rate is 30 percent you pay $33,000 isn't that enough? But,the farther you go down the "food chain" the less and less percentage you have to pay! What the hell are you talking about?

Sure 30 percent would be enough from a milion dollars.
But ONLY if they really pay it. No deductions for whatever.
Now you can start discussing reality and loopholes.
You will wonder how they reduce their official income.

I wonder if Donald pays yearly taxes of 333,000$
I somehow doubt it.

 

[78Brougham]

No... You can probably triple that. But who cares, we'll never see that much money in a lifetime!
I love the rich, they are the job creators, and i wish I had their problems. Too many of us are just jealous. Not me... I may be wrong, but some of them, deserve our respect. Where would we be without those who built the railroads or timber or steel industry? Our country is a GREAT ONE!

 

[Rwc]

there is lots of talk about the rich, there seems to be a line that once crossed means they stole it from the poor. what is that magic number? and making personal income taxes fair? who is the person(s) that decide that? I am not rich by any stretch, but I know I pay way more than i feel is right.
I think the best way to address taxes is to fix the incredible waste that our government puts out every year. We the taxpayers support people who refuse to work, and countries that should be paying the full ride for their own defense.

 

[Fratzog]

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With auto insurance they cant cancel your coverage but they can raise the premiums....

Insurance companies have been known to refuse benefits and good luck taking them to court when you are sick.

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If you want the right to have insurance change CotUS.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't your constitution allow government to raise taxes and set up insurance schemes under the General Welfare clause?

 

[Fratzog]

No... You can probably triple that. But who cares, we'll never see that much money in a lifetime!
I love the rich, they are the job creators, and i wish I had their problems. Too many of us are just jealous. Not me... I may be wrong, but some of them, deserve our respect. Where would we be without those who built the railroads or timber or steel industry? Our country is a GREAT ONE!

No doubt capitalism is 2nd to none in generating wealth and I agree the incentive of getting rich should be maintained. However without a representative democratic system that regulates wealth distribution you may as well live in a tin pot dictatorship. The trends are not good as outlined in this article.
Half of world's wealth now in hands of 1% of population – report

 

[300rag]

Sure 30 percent would be enough from a milion dollars.
But ONLY if they really pay it. No deductions for whatever.
Now you can start discussing reality and loopholes.
You will wonder how they reduce their official income.

I wonder if Donald pays yearly taxes of 333,000$
I somehow doubt it.

My opinion has always been that there should be a threshold tax free income of let's say 30K, and every dollar you make after that is taxed at 20% or other reasonable rate. There would be no deductions with the exception of a spousal and child amount for single income families, no expenses, no loopholes, etc. Then there is no penalty for being successful, or working long hours. It always pissed me off to get my paycheque and find that the additional hours I worked were for a fraction of what my overtime rate was, due to the "progressive" tax rates. Any hours over 50 would only net me $10/hr.
My system means any person making 30k or less pays no tax. Make 100k, you pay 14k and if you make 2 million, you pay 394k

 

[67Monaco]

If one wants taxation equality, one should back a wealth tax and abolish the income tax. .

On the other hand, taxation is theft.

Yeah yeah it's the price we pay to live in a civil society. so we live in a society that's all that civil eh? and lack of taxation would make us less civil? meh.


Oh wait, muh roads... and without taxation all the roads would be toll roads. news flash they already are. they confiscate taxes at the pump to pay for them, it s the price we pay not to have toll booths.

 

[saforwardlook]

I love the rich, they are the job creators, and i wish I had their problems. Too many of us are just jealous. Not me... I may be wrong, but some of them, deserve our respect. Where would we be without those who built the railroads or timber or steel industry? Our country is a GREAT ONE!

Yep, these rich job creators do a fine job setting up plants in China where they can maximize their ROI (return on investment) and what do we get out of it? And their profits are stored in safe havens out of the country. Bravo! I love the rich!

I have known a few really rich people in my lifetime. Some of the most empty, unhappy, lonely and shallow people you would never want to know (maybe that is why they never seem to have enough money - more will finally make them happy, right?). I would rather have just enough and have some real friends around me that are all doing well than be rich and watch people around me struggle needlessly. But if you love money that much and idolize the rich, honestly, I feel sorry for you.

The current enlightened Pope talks a lot about this subject - it boils down to a spritual matter in the end and what really satisfies the soul. And his well wishes to Trump included a reminder to be sure to take care of the poor. This Pope is a wise man IMO.