BLUPORT
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I use Chrome.Everyone who gets a new PC uses it at least once - to download Firefox.
Windows 7
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jct
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I use Firefox and opera
300rag
It's Not Going to Shift Itself
I generally use Firefox, but switch to Chrome for some sites that don't play well with Firefox.
commando1
Old Man with a Hat
So... Bob is now more confused than before.
rags
Senior Member
they'll rip my win7 laptop from my cold dead hands. windows 7 and firefox with ALL updates off.
So... Bob is now more confused than before.
Yep, I'll have to go to my 10 year niece and nephew for consultation! Lol
300rag
It's Not Going to Shift Itself
Glad we could help.Yep, I'll have to go to my 10 year niece and nephew for consultation! Lol
commando1
Old Man with a Hat
So, what's the best oil?
300rag
It's Not Going to Shift Itself
Clean.So, what's the best oil?
jct
Senior Member
I just installed Linux Deepin took me about 8 hrs to download the .iso file and installation took no time at all it's pretty fairly painless transition
68PK21 440.6bbl
Old Man with a Hat
I use IRON
BTW Windows Updates are not really updates but 'Hotfixes" and hotfixes can be buggy and break things. You only get the real Updates with a 'Service Pack' which seem to going away and MS is getting more Apple'ish by putting out a new OS version every couple of years.
I have windows update off at all times and only update three weeks after a hotfix comes out as if it's buggy windows will pull it and next month will be a better hotfix.
Many geeks do it that way cuz MS can screw up your system.
Oh and Windows 7 update is so slow (well known) on your computer not because of a slow internet (less than 20mbps) connection it's Microsoft's fault and many tricks can be done to speed things up, supposedly it has been sped up on Win8/10 but Win8/10 breaks hardware.
I have Windows 8.1 and all the supporting Dell device drivers but just too lazy to figure it out, why try and fix something that ain't broke, someday maybe.
Mac? ha ha, I go way back to a Mac 512k... lol The day after OS 8 came out I bought the OS 7.6 discs for $2.00 at a yard sale, the guy just couldn't wait to get rid of them LOL.
I gave up on Macs during the HFS days and NotRun Utilities ruined a very prized 2Gb SCSI disc on my PowerMac.
BLUPORT
Carpe Diem Cras
First, here's a little bit of general terminology as it's used in the industry. As a SME, I feel qualified to state that these are applicable across the board.
Patch - Publicly released update to fix a known bug/issue.
Hotfix - update to fix a very specific issue, not always publicly released, meant to be applied while a system is still in production, or "hot." Same nomenclature as "Hotswap."
Maintenance Release - Incremental update between service packs or software versions to fix multiple outstanding issues.
Service Pack - Large Update that fixes many outstanding issues, normally includes all Patches, Hotfixes, Maintenance releases that predate the service pack.
Update - General term encompassing all of the above.
Windows 7 Update uses BITS, which is designed to slowly download updates in the background (Background Intelligent Transfer System) but directly checking for updates allows it full bandwidth to download at full speed. If they're slow, it's because your computer is outdated and/or your ISO is slow. On a 400mbps connection, I can pull Win7 Updates pretty damn fast.
Win10 gives you the most user-friendly update options to-date. You can choose to pull updates solely from the internet, or you can include your home/business network so you don't have to download the same 800mb update for every PC you have.
Windows 8 and Windows 10 aren't breaking hardware. Cheap hardware fails. Either learn what to buy for a lasting machine, or consult with someone who does. This does not include the staff at Best Buy/WalMart/Brandsmart USA/Dell Sales/HP Sales.
Macs are great for Photographers, Studio Artists, and people who don't really know how to use a computer.
If you know "many geeks" who do it that way, then they are just that... Geeks. Not qualified, certified, or experienced industry professionals. Advising people to turn off Windows Update because their computer is having "issues" is a lot like telling someone just to go buy a new off the shelf carb at AutoZone because their car hesitates.
MoPar Maniac
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Mac you say? We started using them here at work before they were called Macs. Remember the Apple Lisa? It was the precursor to what became the Mac.
In fact, I think there is one in storage here.
The 1uestion was asked, "will there be a successor to Win 10?
The answer is yes, when they force everyone to 10 and sales fall off. Then the new OS will come out.
And if you went to Mac to get away from MS...sorry, you didnt.
In fact, I think there is one in storage here.
The 1uestion was asked, "will there be a successor to Win 10?
The answer is yes, when they force everyone to 10 and sales fall off. Then the new OS will come out.
And if you went to Mac to get away from MS...sorry, you didnt.
68PK21 440.6bbl
Old Man with a Hat
Ah yes the certified professionals drinking the MS Kool Aid, ahhh gawd, I didn't advise anyone that had "Issues" to turn off windows update. I said I have updates turned off and update when I want to update so I don't have "issues", my choice. Hot fixes are quickly written patches to fix most likely a security hole, seems to be plenty of them, mab'be these certified professionals just can't get it right ever eh? Seems to be today MS is calling every update in Win10 with mac'ish names "Anniversary", "Creators" "Fall Creators" how many now 7,8?
I just did a quick search for the update slow down and at top of the list was Windows 10... LOL all the excuses, I didn't have all the bookmarks on this browser for the Win7 slow update problem but it seems to be the same lame answers to the problem, you got old clogged up hardware. Did you defrag? No fresh install, oh your drive is slow you need SSD or you don't have a Win8/10 certified drive (Old by 4 years+) so Win10 'breaks' drives (geek talk, won't work or not work optimally) MS servers are getting slammed (ain't that the truth) and on an on. 'Course then there's all the time wasting 'System Restore' points and checking, checking, checking, for whatever I guess MS thinks you need. Some think they are scanning all of your computer and gathering metadata. Who knows in today's world.
'Microsoft standards of compatibility' I don't buy BestBuy WallyWorld crap, I don't know why you mentioned Dell/HP sales, there is a retail and business side to each. I've had good luck with all my Dell Workstations & Servers over the years.
Same with the Windows Hardware Compatibility for Win10, **** ain't gonna work you need to buy new hardware. It's like the Crysis debacle with the video cards, just a scam.
I'm getting too old for this, last time I did a fresh install of Windows 7 it was 10+ hours, and guess what, MS update pooched the system, but it was a recommended update. And the great part was I got the system back up and said lets try this again to see what'da'hell is going on here. BANG! it did it again and this time I couldn't get it back, oh well I'll just use the disc for storage I don't got anymore time for this. 'f'in ridiculous.
MS put the kibosh on slipstream discs, but I'll bet'cha there is still a way...
And we won't even go into why the hell the winsxs folder is 10+ gigs and in Win7 you can't get rid of all the unnecessary crap in there like you can in Win8/10 or XP. Boooo!
I can download a 4/5 GB Game update in 15/20 minutes for one of my online games on my connection, you don't need a 400mbps connection to download MS updates when their servers are only upping to you at 8/9mbps.
BLUPORT
Carpe Diem Cras
While I do have Microsoft Certifications, I was referring to people who have demonstrated expertise in the field, with "proof" on paper.
4 years is old for a drive. Those routine troubleshooting steps are in place because the majority of support calls are from someone who bought a Dell PC with a 1 year warranty, never did anything to maintain it, clog it up with ****, games, viruses, 50,000 photos of their trip to see "The Biggest Ball Of Twine in Minnesota" and of course things have slowed down. (Like the people who seem surprised to learn they need to change their air filters in their cars.)
Because you mentioned Dell. Staying on topic matters, no? I know there are Residential and Commercial side to each. Dell and HP are both systems I have certifications for. I can also tell you this; you get what you pay for. Bought it with a 1 year warranty? You should probably plan for a new PC around 18 months.
10+ hours? Sounds like you may not be qualified for such a task if it takes you that long. Heck, I can install Win10 in less than 15 minutes from start to finish. (Then again, I don't buy pre-packaged PCs, and I hear drinking Kool-Aid makes it easier.)
4-5GB update? Sounds more like a "Patch" than an update.
Oh, and I pull from MS Update servers over 100Gbps. In the end, the fact is that Windows 7 is a decade old. A DECADE. Win10 will likely be supported through 2025 until they move to Windows "Polaris," and even then it won't be a forced upgrade, it will be meant for newer devices.
...but hey, what do I know, I'm just a dude with a few extra letters in my email signature line.
MoPar Maniac
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It will be meant for new machines.....and then users with older systems will be forced to upgrade.
BLUPORT
Carpe Diem Cras
Or they can keep trying to cling to the past with worn out computers, complaining about how slow and difficult to work on they are.
MoPar Maniac
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Thing is....what was wrong with Win 2000?
What was wrong with XP?
Win 7?
The game is to hook you on an OS and then bring out the latest and greatest (maybe) and then you must buy it. Planned obsolesence and I don't see where the newer OSes do anything any better.
What was wrong with XP?
Win 7?
The game is to hook you on an OS and then bring out the latest and greatest (maybe) and then you must buy it. Planned obsolesence and I don't see where the newer OSes do anything any better.
BLUPORT
Carpe Diem Cras
It's not always about the OS. Hardware changes, and requires different software to support it.
Also, for a list of "what was wrong with Win2k"
Microsoft Windows 2000 : List of security vulnerabilities
MoPar Maniac
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And sometimes that is deliberate to make you buy new software and or hardware.
For instance new chipsets are made so they won't run Win 7 so you must upgrade. Same chipset but its configured so it won't run 7.
Used to be Win 10 was free. Now the chipsets won't run 7.....you must buy Win 10.
There was nothing wrong with 7 but we will force you into an upgrade. You will become one....
For instance new chipsets are made so they won't run Win 7 so you must upgrade. Same chipset but its configured so it won't run 7.
Used to be Win 10 was free. Now the chipsets won't run 7.....you must buy Win 10.
There was nothing wrong with 7 but we will force you into an upgrade. You will become one....
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