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Real Michigan Barnfind - Beautiful 1960 New Yorker - Low Miles - Loaded - Solid
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ceebuddy
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I would not have thought that. Learned something new today! Thank you!
Admittedly, upon looking at it a second time, the heel pad looks very period-correct.
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Scary how quickly some of you break out the pitchforks and torches and jump to the conclusion that I'm some fishy car flipping opportunist. I've been a member here for 7 years, and I'd like to think I'm a good part of this community. That said, I'll try not to take any of it personally since lord knows there are plenty of bad apples in the classic car hobby that make it hard to see anything good without assuming there's a catch or some kind of scheme.
Anyway, let's see if I can quell some of your concerns.
"Another stream-of-consciousness ad. . ."
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my old man always taught me to over-describe and risk putting a few people off rather than be intentionally vague and have people end up disappointed with what they end up with, especially in a case like an eBay ad, where most people are considering a sight-unseen purchase. Somewhere along with my long rambling description, I did state that I welcome questions, and have gotten some good ones which I've attempted to answer to the best of my knowledge. I've been burned by trusting non-descriptive ads before, so I'd rather be accused of being wordy than suspiciously quiet.
"Just added hype with the 13,000 miles idea. Not very likely, but anything is possible.
Why would a guy put all those new parts in it and only run it a very short time? This is very fishy. Why not run it and fill all the fluids and try to drive it forwards and reverse. Then All buyers would know the trans works and demonstrate how good this 13,000 mile engine runs.
Makes it way easier to load on a trailer. Very likely the hydraulic brakes are inoperative, but the park brake is all mechanical and should work if the cable isn’t frozen."
-I personally think those are the legit miles, but as I stated that's my opinion which you're welcome to call BS on. Not much I can do about that.
As far as all those new parts, -you're talking about less than $100 in parts and about a half-hour of work to prove that it isn't housing a boat anchor under the hood, which I consider pretty important. I have no doubt that it'll need to be gone through, tuned, adjusted, cleaned, and have belts gaskets, and soft parts inspected/replaced, but would anyone not expect that in a 60-year-old car that's been off of the road for at least 46 years? It's sitting outside, and I don't intend to dig into it and do all that in this weather, which is why I put it up for only $3200 without a reserve. Yes, I could wait until spring and continue to go through it on my own, but that'd be another few months of it sitting outside.
In truth, I impulse bought it from an estate sale without a place to put it, and I have 3 other unfinished projects that need my time and funds...both of which are in short supply lol.
"Michigan DOES require the actual mileage on the title.
Buyer beware."
-Secretary of State requires that you list the miles when you apply to have a title put in your name, which I did. But for a car this old, the title that you receive does not have it listed. It's sitting in front of me.
"Matt can you find out where in the Thumb he found it? I am just curious."
-The car came out of a barn (yes, I promise it was actually a dirt floor barn for those of you who think I used the term "barn find" to garner some kind of extra allure) in Ray Twp. Michigan, so more the webbing of the thumb if you want to get anatomically specific
Hopefully, this has shed a little light on the car (and the seller).
Anyway, let's see if I can quell some of your concerns.
"Another stream-of-consciousness ad. . ."
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my old man always taught me to over-describe and risk putting a few people off rather than be intentionally vague and have people end up disappointed with what they end up with, especially in a case like an eBay ad, where most people are considering a sight-unseen purchase. Somewhere along with my long rambling description, I did state that I welcome questions, and have gotten some good ones which I've attempted to answer to the best of my knowledge. I've been burned by trusting non-descriptive ads before, so I'd rather be accused of being wordy than suspiciously quiet."Just added hype with the 13,000 miles idea. Not very likely, but anything is possible.
Why would a guy put all those new parts in it and only run it a very short time? This is very fishy. Why not run it and fill all the fluids and try to drive it forwards and reverse. Then All buyers would know the trans works and demonstrate how good this 13,000 mile engine runs.
Makes it way easier to load on a trailer. Very likely the hydraulic brakes are inoperative, but the park brake is all mechanical and should work if the cable isn’t frozen."
-I personally think those are the legit miles, but as I stated that's my opinion which you're welcome to call BS on. Not much I can do about that.
As far as all those new parts, -you're talking about less than $100 in parts and about a half-hour of work to prove that it isn't housing a boat anchor under the hood, which I consider pretty important. I have no doubt that it'll need to be gone through, tuned, adjusted, cleaned, and have belts gaskets, and soft parts inspected/replaced, but would anyone not expect that in a 60-year-old car that's been off of the road for at least 46 years? It's sitting outside, and I don't intend to dig into it and do all that in this weather, which is why I put it up for only $3200 without a reserve. Yes, I could wait until spring and continue to go through it on my own, but that'd be another few months of it sitting outside.
In truth, I impulse bought it from an estate sale without a place to put it, and I have 3 other unfinished projects that need my time and funds...both of which are in short supply lol.
"Michigan DOES require the actual mileage on the title.
Buyer beware."
-Secretary of State requires that you list the miles when you apply to have a title put in your name, which I did. But for a car this old, the title that you receive does not have it listed. It's sitting in front of me.
"Matt can you find out where in the Thumb he found it? I am just curious."
-The car came out of a barn (yes, I promise it was actually a dirt floor barn for those of you who think I used the term "barn find" to garner some kind of extra allure) in Ray Twp. Michigan, so more the webbing of the thumb if you want to get anatomically specific
Hopefully, this has shed a little light on the car (and the seller).
There is rust in some weird areas!
@dart165 we’ve all got out opinions and free time to spend on a car flip or not.
Cool car, fun to look it over. This is not any personal attack. It just reads strange to me. So I looked up your weather, same as here, but you are a bit colder at night. I don’t get why you don’t run it for 20-30 minutes and get it warm & fill all the fluids. Tell people how good this 13K mile car runs, post a video, etc.
Versus your disclaimer of a non-op vehicle.
This just reads funny, like it’s hiding something. That’s why I say it seems fishy.
Yes looking at it in person will Always tell the truth good and bad. We are keyboard experts from home with only your words and the photos to go by.
I’m so glad you didn’t put anything over the rusted ares and let the new owner choose their preferred path. I’ve passed on cars over this before. What is under that mask?
Cool car, fun to look it over. This is not any personal attack. It just reads strange to me. So I looked up your weather, same as here, but you are a bit colder at night. I don’t get why you don’t run it for 20-30 minutes and get it warm & fill all the fluids. Tell people how good this 13K mile car runs, post a video, etc.
Versus your disclaimer of a non-op vehicle.
This just reads funny, like it’s hiding something. That’s why I say it seems fishy.
Yes looking at it in person will Always tell the truth good and bad. We are keyboard experts from home with only your words and the photos to go by.
I’m so glad you didn’t put anything over the rusted ares and let the new owner choose their preferred path. I’ve passed on cars over this before. What is under that mask?
Scary how quickly some of you break out the pitchforks and torches and jump to the conclusion that I'm some fishy car flipping opportunist. I've been a member here for 7 years, and I'd like to think I'm a good part of this community. That said, I'll try not to take any of it personally since lord knows there are plenty of bad apples in the classic car hobby that make it hard to see anything good without assuming there's a catch or some kind of scheme.
Anyway, let's see if I can quell some of your concerns.
"Another stream-of-consciousness ad. . ."
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"Just added hype with the 13,000 miles idea. Not very likely, but anything is possible.
Why would a guy put all those new parts in it and only run it a very short time? This is very fishy. Why not run it and fill all the fluids and try to drive it forwards and reverse. Then All buyers would know the trans works and demonstrate how good this 13,000 mile engine runs.
Makes it way easier to load on a trailer. Very likely the hydraulic brakes are inoperative, but the park brake is all mechanical and should work if the cable isn’t frozen."
-I personally think those are the legit miles, but as I stated that's my opinion which you're welcome to call BS on. Not much I can do about that.
As far as all those new parts, -you're talking about less than $100 in parts and about a half-hour of work to prove that it isn't housing a boat anchor under the hood, which I consider pretty important. I have no doubt that it'll need to be gone through, tuned, adjusted, cleaned, and have belts gaskets, and soft parts inspected/replaced, but would anyone not expect that in a 60-year-old car that's been off of the road for at least 46 years? It's sitting outside, and I don't intend to dig into it and do all that in this weather, which is why I put it up for only $3200 without a reserve. Yes, I could wait until spring and continue to go through it on my own, but that'd be another few months of it sitting outside.
In truth, I impulse bought it from an estate sale without a place to put it, and I have 3 other unfinished projects that need my time and funds...both of which are in short supply lol.
"Michigan DOES require the actual mileage on the title.
Buyer beware."
-Secretary of State requires that you list the miles when you apply to have a title put in your name, which I did. But for a car this old, the title that you receive does not have it listed. It's sitting in front of me.
"Matt can you find out where in the Thumb he found it? I am just curious."
-The car came out of a barn (yes, I promise it was actually a dirt floor barn for those of you who think I used the term "barn find" to garner some kind of extra allure) in Ray Twp. Michigan, so more the webbing of the thumb if you want to get anatomically specific
Hopefully, this has shed a little light on the car (and the seller).
I have been interested in 1960 Chrysler New Yorkers for some time and was always willing to consider one to complement my 1960 Chrysler 300F. As such, I have inspected a number of these New Yorkers with the same exact interior as your car. All the high miles ones I have seen had seats that have badly worn fabric and the foam under the fabric did not last long before disintegrating and losing its shape and support. The seats in this example look like new with the pattern fabric still in excellent shape and the foam also still showing tufting of the paterned fabric and like new shape. That is why this car in my opinion must be low miles.
I thought your write up was one of the better ones - well done and I also thought everything you said was demonstrating good judgment and some knowledge of the vehicle at hand.
Thank you for rescuing this really exceptional specimen and making it available to a collector that will cherish it and restore it. If it had been a 2 door, I would have definitely been interested.
All the best in the outcome for you!
I also liked hearing that you are a friend of Matt, and that was all I needed to know about your intent and character but I thought it was already clear in the writeup. I felt everything was out in the open to see and even starting a vehicle that was sitting that long was more than most would do - most would have just turned the crank to show the engine was free and left it at that.
Last sentence is Exactly why I questioned it. Most guys tell you it turns over and that’s it. This one has parts and time in it to get it to run, but just ran long enough to know it runs and that’s it, no more. And you must tow it away when you buy it.
doesn’t this sound strange to Anybody out there? Guy does all the work to get battery and fuel to it, buy and install new parts and then don’t want to run it any more.
And not knowing the guy or his friend, because none of us knew that at first.
doesn’t this sound strange to Anybody out there? Guy does all the work to get battery and fuel to it, buy and install new parts and then don’t want to run it any more.
And not knowing the guy or his friend, because none of us knew that at first.
Fratzog
Old Man with a Hat
A great project for somebody. When you commented that the car actually was stored on a dirt floor in a barn (likely on flat tires) for decades, now the rust patterns suddenly make sense. Good luck with the sale.
Does anybody know if this car sold and what the price was?
Still a major project car......
Would probably need a total rebuild like Will is doing to Virgil.
Still a major project car......
Would probably need a total rebuild like Will is doing to Virgil.
I said in the beginning that I had some experience with these cars and what the seller did was just what I would have done to reassure the potential buyer that he was getting a good vehicle given that it sat for so many years and really was low miles. I also would prefer not to drive the car given the nature of its brakes.
If you have any experience with total contact brakes, you will know that applying those brakes using the brake pedal when the car you have has been in storage for many decades, would be a disaster as the brakes will immediately lock up on application due to surface rust on the drums and it may be difficult to get it to move after that. Those were self-energizing brakes so any movement forward would immediately lock the brakes upon application. Usually backing the car up will free them, but not everyone knows that. The seller also may not have known that the park brake was more usual and not self energizing but mounted on the tailshaft of the cast iron torqueflite. And if one tried to apply a corroded cable it too might seize, rendering the car immovable. What is the point of running longer than he did? He already stated that he didn't want to move the car because he could not stop it and that was good judgment in my opinion. If you have ever worked on a car with total contact brakes, they are no fun to work on and just getting the rear drums off a car that has been sitting like that one has might be a real issue. Even the factory special tool for that task isn't very good on a normal car that has been used.
Determining that the engine actually runs and doesn't have a bad rod knock is worth knowing, as I once bought at car with an engine that turned freely, but upon starting it the rod knock was so bad I shut it down right away. It ended up needing a full rebuild and a new crackshaft too. If you want to get a good price for a car like this that deserves it, it is best to know that it does run and run without issues. Why push it further? - I would prefer to do that myself upon receipt of the car to be sure there are no strange noises or other issues (leaks, etc).
@dart165 was just trying to be conscientious in my opinion so potential buyers would have more confidence in the engine's condition that would drive the bidding higher.
Guys in it for a quick flip and least risk would be the ones I would suspect to be least likely to start it up rather than just claim that it spins. That isn't fishy to me at all...................
Click on the ebay link to get the latest details:
1960 Chrysler New Yorker New Yorker | eBay
At this time, it is showing 8 bidders and 17 bids with the current top bid at $5200 and a couple more days to go in the auction....................
Having a low miles car is always an advantage in restoring a car like this in my opinion and it is complete as well and many of the parts are in excellent condition. The biggest task will be rust repair but that isn't so bad from what I am seeing in the photos, and really not bad at all compared to what it would be if it were a 113K miles car driven in that climate and location.
If the chrome is not pitted too bad it will be a nice project car. Camera pictures can be deceiving even though the chrome looks like its in good shape.
I’m aware of the brake system currently own 4 cars with them. Your knowledge and experience is equal to hundreds of other people in this hobby.
He never said it didn’t have a rod knock, you did. He didn’t say anymore than this, Quoted from his ad.
“I only had it running long enough to make sure it does run but haven’t gone past that. I will insist it will need to be towed by the buyer”
That the fishy bullshit part. No car guy builds up the car and explains all the new parts and run just briefly with no further explanation on how it runs. What’s being hidden, why no explanation. Who shuts down A 10:1 BB mopar with no further running? If it sounded good you would want to,hear more, right? I would hell yes!
There is no more explanation to it. Go back and read It. I read what it says, not what I want it to say.
Go run the dam thing for a half hour and report on it if it’s such a good car and an honest guy.
Again we didn’t know it was stored a dirt floor for 30 years. And we didn’t know this man or his friend or membership here.
He never said it didn’t have a rod knock, you did. He didn’t say anymore than this, Quoted from his ad.
“I only had it running long enough to make sure it does run but haven’t gone past that. I will insist it will need to be towed by the buyer”
That the fishy bullshit part. No car guy builds up the car and explains all the new parts and run just briefly with no further explanation on how it runs. What’s being hidden, why no explanation. Who shuts down A 10:1 BB mopar with no further running? If it sounded good you would want to,hear more, right? I would hell yes!
There is no more explanation to it. Go back and read It. I read what it says, not what I want it to say.
Go run the dam thing for a half hour and report on it if it’s such a good car and an honest guy.
Again we didn’t know it was stored a dirt floor for 30 years. And we didn’t know this man or his friend or membership here.
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Guys like you talk tough and use foul language and seem to assume the worst about people. Check out the guy's feedback and if you want to know for sure that rods don't knock, you are free to ask him questions on ebay - if anyone does so, given that he took the time, effort and expense to get the engine running and the rods do knock, and he were to lie to you, what does that do to his feedback? - yeah, exactly.
Given that appears clearly to be a low miles car, there is nothing that worries me enough to ask him to put the transmission in drive or reverse given he doesn't want to use the brakes for good reasons that you are aware of then - those transmissions are close to bullet proof and anything that is wrong with them is an easy repair. I would normally go through one and replace all the seals anyway, given how long it has been stored, so not that important to me at least.
Instead of just assuming the worst about people, why not also take into account what was done that was above and beyond the norm, look at all the other factors, and not get all worked up and suspicious about everything.
He didn't hide the rust and was upfront about what he knew about the car and carefully described everything he reasonably could about the car and expressed his opinions. I didn't react like you did because there are other factors you didn't even consider apparenty before proclaiming your suspected lack of integrity.
SA I will talk to you face just like I type here. The difference is you will know I respect you and you opinion while I’m doing it. Something that is lost in a typed message.
I know why you 110% approve of this car and ad, because you type just the same as he does. Elaborate about many things and ignore others.
You have to look at what is not said, it speaks volumes.
I know why you 110% approve of this car and ad, because you type just the same as he does. Elaborate about many things and ignore others.
You have to look at what is not said, it speaks volumes.
USSMOPAR
Active Member
Nice cool car, probably low rust belt miles rather than 100,000+
This board needs a moderator that is a mature adult.
This crap needs to be stopped.
The old and most likely overweight adult children on here are very rude other adjectives used to describe bad behavior. This thread is another fine example of the rude, condescending, everyone is a liar/flipper/hiding something behavior that these so called men exhibit time and time again. Every car gets nitpicked unless it's got a woman's name. Negative Nannys. They name ships USS Something, C bodies are boats so it you have to name your thing I guess the USS Maryanne is way better than just Buttercup.
Always ready to buy cars that should be crushed, too cheap to buy NOS parts & complain the truly nice cars are overpriced. The funniest part about car values - there is one item on every car that really does show the car's long term care and makes a difference in the value. I will leave you expert c body children to figure what that one part is.
The Op would have been better off giving the car a woman's name and then he could have come one here and talked about an old inanimate object that is transportation with no problem. This would be the last place i put a car up for sale.
This board needs a moderator that is a mature adult.
This crap needs to be stopped.
The old and most likely overweight adult children on here are very rude other adjectives used to describe bad behavior. This thread is another fine example of the rude, condescending, everyone is a liar/flipper/hiding something behavior that these so called men exhibit time and time again. Every car gets nitpicked unless it's got a woman's name. Negative Nannys. They name ships USS Something, C bodies are boats so it you have to name your thing I guess the USS Maryanne is way better than just Buttercup.
Always ready to buy cars that should be crushed, too cheap to buy NOS parts & complain the truly nice cars are overpriced. The funniest part about car values - there is one item on every car that really does show the car's long term care and makes a difference in the value. I will leave you expert c body children to figure what that one part is.
The Op would have been better off giving the car a woman's name and then he could have come one here and talked about an old inanimate object that is transportation with no problem. This would be the last place i put a car up for sale.
I didn't miss anything. If I had a question he didn't answer for me and I was interested in the car, I could ask a question on ebay like I said - his feedback is vital and you completely missed it obviously.
78Brougham
"Chump"
WTF are you talking about?
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