For Sale 1971 Sport Fury GT Vegas CL

[polara71]

But to get $50K into a car that would bring $30K tops as a restored car is just plain dumb. Passion or not. Would you buy a house for $200K that was worth $100K? No, you wouldn't. Even if that was THE house of your dreams!

And while we're at it I never buy a car with the intention of selling it. I buy what I have because I want it.
I may be close to upside down on my recent convertible purchase but guess what? I don't care. If I ever do have the car restored or modified the way I want it I will be 30000 thousand into a 10000 car.....I don't care, it'll be the way I want it

 

[bluefury361]

To us there's more to the value of a car then just "what's it worth".
I would never get a monitary return on Jazebelle if I decided to sell. But the value of the pleasure we have enjoyed because of her is, well, unmeasureable. I could probably give her away and come out ahead in the memories we have. Beats the hell out of Disneyland...!

This SFGT has the potential of doing just that also. Buy it, build it, drive it. Don't look at the receipts.

The car really doesn't appeal to me but I can see the potential for someone who might appreciate it.

 

[commando1]

You buy what you are passionate about and just worry if it will bankrupt you or not.
You do it anyway balancing parts vs. food.

 

[bluefury361]

You do it anyway balancing parts vs. food.

Good point Stan. I never thought about it that way........ Perhaps a new diet program.....? Need to lose a few pounds.......? buy the part...!

 

[commando1]

 

[patrick66]

And while we're at it I never buy a car with the intention of selling it. I buy what I have because I want it.
I may be close to upside down on my recent convertible purchase but guess what? I don't care. If I ever do have the car restored or modified the way I want it I will be 30000 thousand into a 10000 car.....I don't care, it'll be the way I want it

You gotta sell it sometime. Or die and leave it to someone.

Maybe I see this far differently than you guys. I lost damn near EVERTHING I OWNED in May 2003, due to a tornado that destroyed my shop and severely damaged my home, resulting in a total loss and demolition of both. I had severe damage to the ten vehicles (including two tractors) I had a the time. Only three ended up being repairable. My Coronet was at the vo-tech that day (thankfully!) as I was having a disc-brake conversion put on, and one of the kids bent a steel line to the point it kinked, so I left it there to pickup the next day. Had he not jacked that up, it would've been destroyed, as well.

Getting insurance to pay out on the vast majority of my losses was not a big issue, save for my '70 F250, which was valued at $7,500, but USAA was willing to pay out far less on a total - it was completely destroyed! Point is, if you have that car that is so valuable personally, you'll never, ever recover the amount you've got in it, or have it insured for. I don't care what car or truck it is (Hemicuda., SFGT, or a Trabant!), I'm never willing to spend "just for the love of the car!"...screw that! It has to make economic sense to buy an old car. In other words, I'm gonna do everything possible NOT to overspend on a car. It might be "the only one around", but if it makes no sense to acquire and restore it for a reasonable outlay of cash, then I'm moving on to something else. I have to be able to get something at least close to what I have in it to make it worthwhile, PLUS have the proper amount of insurance on it, in case of a total loss! An insurance company is not going to insure a $30K car for $50K. My F250 had TWO separate professional appraisals at $7,500 and $7,800, respectively. The insurance company was aware of BOTH appraisals before the storm, but ignored them at claims time. This SFGT restored is going to be that $30K car. You have $50K in it. Guess what? The car is destroyed, you get $30K for the wreck, and that is it. The memories or whatever are NOT worth the $20K you've lost. Maybe to you, they are. Cool. To me, they're not. Since May 2003, I've come to the realization that stuff is exactly that - stuff! Material items that supposedly fill a need for some people, boost the ego of others, and sit in a "collection" gathering dust. Stuff is stuff. Stuff is material. Stuff is NOT important in the grand scheme of things. He who dies with the most stuff, didn't win ****.

And this SFGT is overpriced stuff at $12,500.

 

[polara71]

Looking at it that way, which I agree with Will, simply put.

 

[bluefury361]

Stuff is stuff. Stuff is material. Stuff is NOT important in the grand scheme of things. He who dies with the most stuff, didn't win ****.QUOTE]

I'm sorry you feel that way, kinda sad in a way.

Our cars are one of the things that forms the bond between Ellie and I, we both take great pleasure out of the experiences we share through the cars. We meet great people because of them, and they carry us to places in a style that can't be duplicated with just any other conveyance. The cars open doors to experiences not otherwise available.
How do you put value on that...? To us these cars represent a life style, not just a hobby or passion. Or an expense.

I look at the guy driving a new 60K mega cab super Gucci truck and think.... what kind of return on the dollar is he gonna experience come time to sell....?

As long as we can climb in, drop the top and head down the road, then my head is still above water.

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

First of all I feel sorry for the loss you had Pat.

I don't know how much you paid for your cars (out of my head 65 Imperial CV, Formal NYB, 66 Coronet 500 with 361, two pick ups) but none of them are "hi dollar" collector cars which will bring 50k+. I am sure none of them is in show condition "1". So you can make a calculation how much it will be to bring them into top notch and you know you would be upside down. Still you bought and enjoyed them.

Actually I wouldn't do a full resto on the SFGT even though the majority would to. But again this is personal taste. I love originality.

I am with Steve, Dave, Will&co.

Non of my cars are bought because I want to make a profit with it. Or get a full return if I sell one.
If so: fine
But I can tell you how to waste money. Buy C-bodys and restore them to bring them back on the road.
As soon as a big block dies on one of them you have to rebuilt a matching engine. Just this engine rebuilt in the usual case turns you into the "red" zone.

I have bought a junky 69 CHP Polara for 8k $.
It was probably more than it was worth. But you usually can't choose between many original paint (important to me) CHP Polaras. But it didn't matter in the end if I paid 5k$ or 8k$ for it. Because till I got it on the road in germany i have spent in total more than 32k$. And it still has the original paint, dents, chrome and tired interieur. If I would sell it I would probably only get back 50cents on the dollar. I am having fun and regret nothing.

Carsten

 

[polara71]

I am upside down on all three of my cars and lost money on the last 3 Polaras I sold..... I don't care...

 

[Samplingman]

Patrick66, stuff is stuff you are right, but your story is still heart-breaking none the less. For me, there will be no high-dollar resto for my vert. I've collected some nice driver-quality parts and it will end up a driver-quality car, but loosing it to disaster would hurt just as much as if it was a 100k investment.

 

[tbm3fan]

If you are into C bodies that have to "pencil out", then I think you should be in another "business". I can't imagine there are too many opportunities to make money or break even on them. To me this is a hobby and motivated by passion and I don't need my cars to "pencil out". There should be enough SFGT interested parties to be able to sell this particular GT for the $ range I suggested ($5000 - $8000). I really couldn't care less if it "pencils out" if I want to restore it to mint condition or just fix it up a little and enjoy it as a driver.

Be in another business? I don't think so. I like cars. I love cars. Most of all I love many different cars and don't limit myself as some do. With an option now to get two other cars a picture of the ten would span a wide range of types.

However, I don't get all emotional about them and lose common sense. I know I will end up scrapping some of my cars when my time comes. There won't be anyone alive who would have an interest in many of them as they are mostly all dead to. So yes the cars need to pencil out somewhat. First, the car has to be in decent shape. None of this little rust or it ran when parked. Luckily I am in California. Next, the car has to be a reasonable price. The Polara was $1600 with nary any rust a great interior and 76,000 miles. All it cost me was $1250 in basic mechanical parts, $1000 headliner and vinyl roof and $500 in paint. I do everything except the vinyl roof and headliner. It is done, it is fun and it didn't cost an arm and a leg.

The Cougar and Mustang, have extremely low acquisition costs and as a result are worth way more than I needed to put into. The truck also had a very low acquisition cost and now has about $5500 in it which makes it break even currently. The big Mercury cost only $900 and needs only body work and paint at this time. This car won't take much but it will always be under water as no one, absolutely no one, wants them. Yet it is a hell of a great freeway car when compared to the Polara. Would need a 66-68 New Yorker for comparison.

The other two will cost only $800 and $1000 for them. Both in good shape as there are precious few parts for them outside of mechanical parts. One caught my eye and one is soon to be an orphan in Northern California. They call to me but it isn't emotion per se. I love to get my hands on things and bring them back to life and be appreciated. Why else would I spend 12,000 hours on an aircraft carrier. The caveat to these two cars is that if they were $2000 each I would pass.

Now if I were a multi-millionaire then I wouldn't care as 30K is pocket change for me. Hell I wouldn't care and there would actually be an operational WWII aircraft carrier in Alameda. I will say the carrier is the one thing I get emotional over.

 

[patrick66]

Bottom line, I like cars. Bought my first car at age 12 for ten bucks ('52 Plymouth)...drove it home, too! Owned a bunch since then. Some to keep, some to flip. But there are a LOT of things in life far more important than a damn car or truck. An overpriced project, regardless of the rarity or perceived desirability, is on the "not important" list. I do not understand the "gotta have at any price" mentality that surrounds this Sport Fury GT. How some of you guys justify the $12,500 price, or anything above two grand, is beyond me. Again, how long has this been for sale at that money??? A LONG time!

Honestly, I think until you've experienced a catastrophic loss, you simply can't know or understand my position. Things are NOT important. Living life IS. I guess if living life includes overpaying for a project, then go for it.

@Carsten - All of mine run and drive, and are at the worst a middle #3 condition and at the top, a low #2. I've owned the Coronet for 35 years. I enjoy them all.

 

[monaco75]

Good point Stan. I never thought about it that way........ Perhaps a new diet program.....? Need to lose a few pounds.......? buy the part...!

Hey! I'm not alone!! lmao

Theres been many a times where I've sat back, looked at the car/s, and thought what the hell am I doing?? Obviously there has to be a point where this madness stops? But it doesn't. As Will said this is more then just a hobby. Its a lifestyle. To put a price on the memories, fun times, and experiences is just foolish (to me).

Same with Dave, I have my cars because I want them. That rusted out hulk in my garage I've been working on has atleast $25/$30k into it. And you all see how it looks, and is sitting now. But do I care?? Nope. It can't be replaced, as is the same with many of you on here I'm sure.

I couldn't imagine my cars getting whipped out by a twister though. Sorry to hear of that patrick. I sometimes worry about huricanes down here. Luckily I'm in an area that barely ever gets hit by them..

 

[IronSpike]

Hi

i'm sorry to bump up this rather old topic - especially in my first post in this forum.

I'm reading the forum on a regular base and have since half a year an eye on Sport Furys, especially GTs. If i'm remembering correctly this is the second GT that came up in half a year (the other one was a blue one).

I'm wondering if these cars (GTs) are that rare so that i have to pick one early, maybe this one. I'm fond of rare colors to and this one is twany gold metallic? This car also have the highly desired rims.

Some of you are speaking of 25k$ "when restored" cars, where are they? Please don't get me wrong i'm just curios and looking for such GTs in better condition.

Best regards and excuse any missunderstandings - i'm not an english native speaker.

Dino

 

[polara71]

Welcome....
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[fc7_plumcrazy]

Hi

i'm sorry to bump up this rather old topic - especially in my first post in this forum.

I'm reading the forum on a regular base and have since half a year an eye on Sport Furys, especially GTs. If i'm remembering correctly this is the second GT that came up in half a year (the other one was a blue one).

I'm wondering if these cars (GTs) are that rare so that i have to pick one early, maybe this one. I'm fond of rare colors to and this one is twany gold metallic? This car also have the highly desired rims.

Some of you are speaking of 25k$ "when restored" cars, where are they? Please don't get me wrong i'm just curios and looking for such GTs in better condition.

Best regards and excuse any missunderstandings - i'm not an english native speaker.

Dino

Hi,

you have seen a blue one for sale?
Now I am curious which one and where it is.
I haven't seen it but that doesn't mean it is not out there.

SFGTs turn up for sale once in a while but not too often.
Most of them are projects.
The term "restored" is elastic. There are a lot of cars out there called "restored" but are restoration objects to other people standarts.

I know of a EB7 dark blue 70 SFGT for sale but I haven't bought it. And that means something as I am not easily scared. But on that one I had to tell myself "run Forrest, run".

Carsten

 

[IronSpike]

Hi

i'm sorry for the confusion, of cause i'm not able to present something new: It was that car, and i have to realize that the topic just started 2013:

http://www.forcbodiesonly.com/mopar...ort-Fury-GT-B5-Blue-with-B5-interior-440-4bbl

I know "restored" is no specific determined phrase. What i'm looking for are survivors, drivers and complete projects. Cars that will do their job in some way (e.g. engine turns).
The one linked the the first post is borderline to me. Cars in lower quality (e.g. more damage, incomplete, no interior...) i would not think about a purchase.

Seems to me GTs are rarer than i thought

I was just wondering about the posts that mentioned not to "put 30k$ in a 25k$ car". It sound to me better cars are somewhere abilable for 25k$.

Dino

 

[Samplingman]

Hi

i'm sorry for the confusion, of cause i'm not able to present something new: It was that car, and i have to realize that the topic just started 2013:

http://www.forcbodiesonly.com/mopar...ort-Fury-GT-B5-Blue-with-B5-interior-440-4bbl

I know "restored" is no specific determined phrase. What i'm looking for are survivors, drivers and complete projects. Cars that will do their job in some way (e.g. engine turns).
The one linked the the first post is borderline to me. Cars in lower quality (e.g. more damage, incomplete, no interior...) i would not think about a purchase.

Seems to me GTs are rarer than i thought

I was just wondering about the posts that mentioned not to "put 30k$ in a 25k$ car". It sound to me better cars are somewhere abilable for 25k$.

Dino

Welcome to the forum, Dino.

I think that is the irony of a comment "30k into a 25K car", there are no restored #2 or even #3 1970 SFGT's out there for sale, even if one wanted to spend 25-30K for it. I imagine they come up from time to time. Maybe someone could chime in if nice restored examples come up at Carlisle, but they haven't been posted here.

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

there are rarely nice examples for sale.
I had a real nice one in FY4 gold with Gatorroof which I sold to a friend of mine in Luxemburg.

I could have bought a decent EB7 SFGT with steering column auto in condition 2-3.
But it staied in Canada summer 2013

I bought my red one in the netherlands and know a white one in Italy.

Carsten