NOT MINE 69 Newport coupe, 383-4, R6 red/tan, no AC $15,900 Classic Auto Mall of PA

[fury fan]

This one checked a few boxes for me, including its condition, as I don't like restored cars (to own, anyway). Bumps and bruises make me more comfortable.
So this one suits me. I'm sure there are other FCBO folks that will like the way its optioned, so I'm sharing it.

There are 80+ pics on the gallery - if someone else wants to add some more of them for posterity, that would be great. (@ayilar ???)

The single-snorkel is odd. But the HP manifolds are there, and more importantly - the FT and VIN confirm as E63 and photo gallery shows it as #s-matching.
FT confirms originally R6 red with tan interior, too.

Looks like it has some incorrect repairs done on it (like driver's seat bottom), but it least it looks like somebody loved it, even if they didn't fix things the way a purist would. (and those may be 30-year old repairs)

It's at Classic Auto Mall in Morgantown, PA, so the paint correction and lighting are as good as it can be (likely better than the car itself ) and price is commensurate.

My to-do list for it: replace the patchwork exhaust, install a Roadrunner-style unsilenced air cleaner, put 15x8s on back to give some attitude. And 3.55 gears. Then enjoy.


https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/listing/1969-chrysler-newport-morgantown-pa-2873279

 

[ayilar]

Thank you for posting CE23H9F173089

 

[69CoronetRT]

Cool car thanks for sharing. Newark was a small plant so examples of their fender tags are harder to come by.

"But the HP manifolds are there, and more importantly - the FT and VIN confirm as E63 and photo gallery shows it as #s-matching."

E63 on the tag and an H in the VN only tells us the car came with a 383-4bbl. It doesn't tell us WHICH 383-4bbl or the horsepower rating of the assembly. We have to dive deeper to learn that. From 68-70, the high lift cam HP assembly was limited to A, B and E bodies. There is no 335 horse HP assembly for a 68-70 C body. There is a 383-4bbl standard cam 330 horse assembly. That's what she have here.

There are no HP manifolds. There are 2bbl and 4bbl manifolds but no exhaust manifolds specific to the HP assembly.

 

[fury fan]

Well, being this is a 69 C-body on FCBO, I didn't delve into the A-B-E cars, we can know that the 330hp assembly is the only thing it could be.
My focus was that it was legitimate, #s matching, and seemingly configured as original aside from the air cleaner.

As for no HP manifolds - sorry, but I'm going to continue to use that description as everybody 'knows' what it refers to, esp being that 413HPs, '66 440 TNTs and 65-67 383 4-barrels use the same exh manifolds as the 2-barrels.

 

[71Polara383]

They look like HP manifolds to me?

 

[69CoronetRT]

They look like HP manifolds to me?

Yes. Because the manifolds, especially the right one, used on the 68-70 B body 383-4 335 horse HP (high lift cam et al) assembly are the same as the manifolds used on the B and C body 383-4 330 horse assembly.

You could take the right manifold off a '69 383-4 330 horse Monaco with automatic and a/c and use it on a 335 horse four speed '69 Road Runner. It's the same manifold. The left manifold is different depending on application. 1968 and 1969 383-4 A bodies used entirely different manifolds.

There are 2bbl and 4bbl manifolds. There are no 68-70 383-4bbl HP assembly specific manifolds. I've seen people waste a lot of time looking, and paying for, "HP" manifolds when the appropriate "4bbl" manifold would work.

There's a difference in the use the term HP from 68-70 than there is in other years. The assembly with the higher lift cam and other parts was reserved for the A and B bodies in '69.

Not all 413s and 426s are Max Wedge assemblies. Not all '69 440s are 6bbl assemblies. Not all '70 340s are 4bbl assemblies. Not all 68-70 383-4bbls are HP assemblies. There are nuances and differences depending on years and applications. Certain parts, like exhaust manifolds, may be common to similar assemblies but that does not mean the assemblies are the same.

 

[fury fan]

There are 2bbl and 4bbl manifolds. There are no 68-70 383-4bbl HP assembly specific manifolds. I've seen people waste a lot of time looking, and paying for, "HP" manifolds when the appropriate "4bbl" manifold would work.

So are you saying that only the 335-hp engines got the HP stamp?

I also generally prefer info to be correct for future reference, but I think your proposed 'rule' will simply cause confusion.
It doesn't save anybody any money, people aren't selling manifolds based on the carb - they sell logs and HPs.
You pay the price based on the shape or casting#, not based on the carb the engine was born with.

But - if you want to make such a rule of 2 vs 4-barrel manifolds for only 68-70 383s - there's actually an exception that breaks that rule:
It's an oddball that I remembered from the Galen book, and I confirmed it, it's on the page you showed, and in 1968 also (I didn't check 1970).
There are two 383 2-barrel engines that uses an 'HP manifold', one in B and one in C-body. (and IIRC that HP-style is used only on the driver side - presumably for clutch linkage clearance?)
So if I can save money by buying those particular 2-barrel manifolds, I'd like a dozen or so each. They'll make for nice resale as HP manifolds.

 

[69CoronetRT]

So are you saying that only the 335-hp engines got the HP stamp?

I also generally prefer info to be correct for future reference, but I think your proposed 'rule' will simply cause confusion.
It doesn't save anybody any money, people aren't selling manifolds based on the carb - they sell logs and HPs.
You pay the price based on the shape or casting#, not based on the carb the engine was born with.

But - if you want to make such a rule of 2 vs 4-barrel manifolds for only 68-70 383s - there's actually an exception that breaks that rule:
It's an oddball that I remembered from the Galen book, and I confirmed it, it's on the page you showed, and in 1968 also (I didn't check 1970).
There are two 383 2-barrel engines that uses an 'HP manifold', one in B and one in C-body. (and IIRC that HP-style is used only on the driver side - presumably for clutch linkage clearance?)
So if I can save money by buying those particular 2-barrel manifolds, I'd like a dozen or so each. They'll make for nice resale as HP manifolds.

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"So are you saying that only the 335-hp engines got the HP stamp?"-

On a 68-70 383-4bbl: Yes. That's the external indication as to what is on the inside. At some point in the assembly process, you have a partially assembled and unpainted block. How will you know how to finish the assembly process with the proper accessories if you do not know what cam it has on the inside?

There are no HP manifolds. Especially in a C body as a 68-70 383-4 C body never got the high lift cam assembly. Saying C bodies got HP manifolds implies C bodies got the HP assembly when they did not. It's simply misusing a term and evoking a connotation of the term that doesn't exist.

There are 2bbl and 4bbl manifolds with specific applications as pointed out in the parts books. There are no oddballs.

Anyone selling, or buying, manifolds using terms like "HP" as if the manifolds are in some way 'different' or 'special' in some way are fleecing or getting fleeced. Buyer beware and get the manifold recommended for your specific application.

 

[fury fan]

Fine, I give in.
But I'd like to buy some 4-barrel exh manifolds from you.
I'm looking for ones found on a 68-70 383-4 barrel.
I expect the price to be around $50-100 ea, as you said they are cheaper than the ones found on an HP assembly.
Don't fleece me.

 

[71Polara383]

Well at least I know my 440 has HP manifolds!

Ironically...they look the same as the 4bbl manifolds I put on my 383!