"A Nation Dying" - Opioid Deaths Linked To Auto Plant Closures, Study Says

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  1. 300rag

    300rag Grumpy Old Man With a Hat FCBO Gold Member

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    I did my last stick more than 5 years ago.
     
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    Dobalovr Being on the Cbody diet SUCKS! FCBO Gold Member

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    My wife has been on low dose morphine for almost 20 years now for the nerve pain she suffers from after being dropped in the hospital and having a spinal injury resulting in the loss of use on her left leg. I worried at first about her taking that much narcotic daily but as Bob stated it doesn’t give her a high it just takes the edge off the pain so she can function. Her body uses the low dose without causing the high of overdosing. She also has Percecet for the really bad days. The hoops she had to go through to get proper pain management was ridiculous but I’m glad someone was paying attention and making sure it was necessary for her well being and not just a here you go now go away scrip. She doesn’t like taking them but it’s made her quality of life so much better.
     
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    70bigblockdodge Old Man with a Hat FCBO Gold Member

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    Obviously illegal does not fix it either. You can lead a horse to water, but you can not make him drink it. I think there are many people who go down a destructive path, and no laws or wake of disaster's that follow them, they will never stop till "it"has the final say. There are also many functioning alcoholics. Why because they self medicate, and have found a equilibrium. I believe the same is true of drug use, if they had access to a standardize dosing I believe the overdose's would slow, from what I see the largest part are accidental (took the same amount as always, but too much fentanyl). I do not prescribe too this way of life or do I recommend it.
    Education about what it does to your body and emotion stability, is the only choice to stop someone from making that decision. Stupid choices of youth is a big hurdle to get alot of people over. Like smoking for me. I would not start smoking now if I had never smoked, but in your teens " ahh what the hell I'll try it.".
     
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    barnfind Senior Member

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    Also the Seattle area, they chose to enable, now they have placed that burden on the taxpayers.
     
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    70bigblockdodge Old Man with a Hat FCBO Gold Member

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    To be clear legalized, I'm for

    Welfarized , I'm not for
     
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    Joseph James Senior Member

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    I know San Francisco has needle exchange. They won’t even bring the needles back for the swap. They toss them on the streets for someone to step on.

    I know some cities have methadone available to give a maintenance dosage for these people. Do the programs work? I don’t know but I am curious. If they do work, why aren’t more addicts availing themselves of these programs?

    I do not know the solution but I see what “hands off” policies in certain cities are doing and it isn’t helping.

    I am taking a day off tomorrow to put a suspension kit in the Fury. That is probably what I should have my mind on .
     
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    saforwardlook Old Man with a Hat FCBO Gold Member

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    Getting back to the root of the problem is money and where it is all going, again.

    https://www.nationofchange.org/2020/01/02/the-sham-of-corporate-social-responsibility/

    Corporations allowing jobs to flow overseas at our expense is still rampant and there really is nothing in place to prevent it except for President Trump chastising them for doing so. There needs to be more than words and bad press to influence them to do otherwise. With big money in politics, however, good luck.............................
     
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    Wollfen Old Man with a Hat

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    Not a status quo no. But blanket legalization wont work either. Some drugs can be legalized yes and the money typically spent on drug enforcement programs etc can instead be used for rehabilitation, same as with Alcohol Abuse.
    Portugal legalized all drugs a number of years ago ( cant remember how many) But they followed this path in their country and now have the lowest amount of drug addiction of any developed country in the world. Not eliminated its true. But no one will ever do that.
    Ultimately the problem needs to be looked at from a pragmatic view, are we ever going to stop people drinking alcohol? Nope, Are ever going to stop people from smoking cigarettes? No. Most of the drugs available today, typically weed and cocaine has been around since the dawn of civilization, it isn't going to go away.
    Plenty of people in all levels of society take drugs, as an example many surgeons will take cocaine. Why? It sharpens your attention, makes you more focused and more accurate. It's why many high level, high pressure jobs have a ready supply of this stuff, it's just not talked about.
    Me personally, I wont ever do drugs , I don't smoke and I don't drink alcohol. But I recognize that plenty others do and will always do so too.

    AS an aside, I was watching a history program about the start of World War Two and how the German Army blew through Belgium and into France, wiping every thing before them in a five day campaign that shocked the world.
    The German soldiers didn't sleep for five days, were totally fearless in the face of the opposing armies/ While this was being discussed they showed German soldiers carrying supplies across a river on a bridge, there were geysers of water shooting up higher than the bridge right next to them and the Germans didn't flinch, didn't change pace, it was as if it was a calm quiet saunter. That one image made me wonder a lot about how the hell they could be so brave, it was explained later as the program went on, the soldiers were all issued with tablets to be taken every day, they were taking Meth!
    It dawned on me right then how they were able to take on so many countries and conquer so much territory over the first three years of conquest. Their soldiers were high on drugs.
     
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    Fratzog Old Man with a Hat

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    I know we are getting way off topic here but actually outside of a few exceptional cases that isn't true. I had some long talks with my Dad who was in the German army in WW2. He would get a huge laugh out of the supposedly well researched documentaries on PBS which portrayed the drug addled demonic monsters in the Wehrmacht. His point was that soldiers so poorly disciplined would never have made it through the Maginot Line. Leaving aside the successful application of Blitzkrieg the truth is at the start of the war the Germans had absolutely the best trained most disciplined soldiers on the planet and their military success had nothing to do with drugs. He related many stories where that training saved his life. Towards the end of the war the new recruits were not getting the same quality training. One time he was leading a patrol outside Leningrad with one other experienced soldier and a few new recruits. They came under mortar fire and by the sound my dad immediately identified the type as one that rebounds and fires shrapnel horizontally and down. The new recruits all hit the ground and died while he and his experienced buddy remained standing and survived albeit with shrapnel wounds in their lower legs. It wasn't drugs that accounted for their early success.
     
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    70bigblockdodge Old Man with a Hat FCBO Gold Member

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    Dammit, I was watching that. I got interrupted and did not get far.
    That makes sense, definitely need to watch that, something to do when I'm laid up after surgery.
    Oops should have read Fred's post also.
     
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    We regularly conduct combat operations (training) which was called ARTEP (Army Readiness Training Exercise Program. And its combat operations that lasts 72 hours. All Soldiers are expected to fight effectively for 72 hours without sleep or drugs. General Patton developed that strategy.
     
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    Drugs? not wide spread but it is well known that the Jap Kamikaze pilots were given Methamphetamine and in one doco it was suggested that the Japanese invented meth just for that purpose.

    In the Serb/Bosnia/Croatian war much of that war was fueled by coke and in the Zone of Separation (ZOS) dark comedy parody this guy was for real.