Old men w/hats now stronger than college freshhmen

It's not just the younger generation as mentioned.

The girlfriends Dad, whome I love as my own, and is a great guy, is a big puss... He is one of the ones you see waiting on the side of the road for his tire to get changed. And we're talking a full grown 50yr old man.

He is great at his deskjob, and loves it. But if it comes to any real work, or is dirty, the check book comes out, or I get the call lol.

Her younger brother is the same way. A 20yr old who hasn't worked a day in his life, sitting in front of the xbox all day playing games.

Hard to blame him though, as what else has he been taught?
 
Capitalism has become a dirty word.

That it has. Just look at how many people supported this goof...

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It's not just the younger generation as mentioned.

The girlfriends Dad, whome I love as my own, and is a great guy, is a big puss... He is one of the ones you see waiting on the side of the road for his tire to get changed. And we're talking a full grown 50yr old man.

He is great at his deskjob, and loves it. But if it comes to any real work, or is dirty, the check book comes out, or I get the call lol.

Her younger brother is the same way. A 20yr old who hasn't worked a day in his life, sitting in front of the xbox all day playing games.

Hard to blame him though, as what else has he been taught?


It all comes down to parenting. And I am lucky enough that my parents taught me the value of hard work and the value of a dollar.
 
That it has. Just look at how many people supported this goof...

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Yep, when the top 10 percent in the U.S. own almost 75% of the wealth, capitalism could use some adjustments to working like it did in the Reagan era. That is what Sanders was trying to achieve, not Communism or Socialism as you commonly know it despite what some of the wacko media would have you believe. When hard working Americans are being ripped off by Wall Street through illegal/immoral manuevers and schemes (not hard work), we need to wake up and fix it (and thank you (not) Bill Clinton who removed Glass-Steagall Act that got the ball rolling for the banking industy to land us in the collapse of 2008!). But with Trump or Hillary, fixing any of this is not at all likely (have you ever really read Trump's tax scheme - what an unworkable joke and Hillary is bought and paid for by the banks). Sanders was the only hope IMO. So if you want to continue to be fleeced/suckered, go for one of these current two choices. It is a trajedy that so many people have no clue what is really taking place under the guise of (unbridled) capitalism anymore. People can still keep going to Payday Loans and taking out mortage loans that they can't afford on 30 year terms due to easy credit scams and then do refinances every two years to "get cash out" and see where we end up, too. We can't fix our problems if we really don't identify the real causes of them and then remove a Congress that will do nothing more than serve only the top financial interests who finance the their political campaigns.

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Yep, when the top 10 percent in the U.S. own almost 75% of the wealth, capitalism could use some adjustments to working like it did in the Reagan era. That is what Sanders was trying to achieve, not Communism or Socialism as you commonly know it despite what some of the wacko media would have you believe. When hard working Americans are being ripped off by Wall Street through illegal/immoral manuevers and schemes (not hard work), we need to wake up and fix it (and thank you (not) Bill Clinton who removed Glass-Steagall Act that got the ball rolling for the banking industy to land us in the collapse of 2008!). But with Trump or Hillary, fixing any of this is not at all likely (have you ever really read Trump's tax scheme - what an unworkable joke and Hillary is bought and paid for by the banks). Sanders was the only hope IMO. So if you want to continue to be fleeced/suckered, go for one of these current two choices. It is a trajedy that so many people have no clue what is really taking place under the guise of (unbridled) capitalism anymore. People can still keep going to Payday Loans and taking out mortage loans that they can't afford on 30 year terms due to easy credit scams and then do refinances every two years to "get cash out" and see where we end up, too. We can't fix our problems if we really don't identify the real causes of them and then remove a Congress that will do nothing more than serve only the top financial interests who finance the their political campaigns.

I like you saforwardlook, so please take this as a respectful counterpoint, not an argument. :)

I have a problem with any point that starts out with "X has Y" percentage of wealth. Frankly I don't care... The super-weathly and the super-poor have existed for 1000 years. Fiefs and surfdom, slaves and slave owners, land barons and sharecroppers, etc. Depending on who is drawing the graph any one of us could be classified as rich or poor. Hell, we all obviously have some discretionary income to be chatting about 50 year old cars vs. sweeping the dirt floor of our scrap-lumber hut.

What I do control is the choices I made. I've worked some kind of job since the tail end of age 13 as a busboy. Then entry-level factory labor swinging minivan side apature panels into a press at Warren Stamping. Paid for my own college, got a better job with the same employer. I socked away that cash and put down 1/3 of the money on my first house (required since I didn't have a credit card until I was 30). You know why I finally got a credit card? Because I got tired of going inside gas stations and waiting line behind poor people buying a gallon of milk for $5.99, a carton of smokes and $20 in lottery tickets. Now I'm one of those SOBs the credit card company hates because they have to give me a % back without my ever paying a dime in interest. Never owned a new car until 2011, then 2012, then only because they were 0% interest and sold before the big depreciation hit. I'll get another "new" Challenger when they bottom out in depreciation.

My peers bought $200,000 houses in the far-flung suburbs. I paid $84k and had a smaller payment than their cable bill (another luxury I've never had). That allowed me to sock away more cash and I bought a second house, which I flipped. Flipped another and bought a small office/commercial building in cash to rent out. Put some of that monthly income into another investment house and lost my *** when real estate crashed. Recovered and bought a condo (which I rent out) in AZ. Still have the other rentals. Now the neighborhood around my commercial building is going to s#it, so last night I had to put my safety on the line to kick two bums out of the doorway for a no-show potential buyer today. The point is, I've worked my *** off... Roofing a house in AZ in August, pouring cement, building decks, changing water heaters on a Sunday when everybody else is having fun... For years now. There is a segment of the population who would say "You have 3 houses, a commercial office, a couple years salary in the bank, a 401K, an IRA, non-valuable classic cars (lol), etc... You are a rich sob and you owe me." Where were they when I was sweating or evicting bums to make a sale? Oh, and the whole while (23 years) I've been starting work at Chrysler at either 10pm or 6am.

How much money is controlled by Bill Gates, Bill Buffet or Bill Cosby has nothing to do with that. Any one of my paycheck-to-paycheck buddies could have done what I did... Grasshopper and Ant. My tenants are nice people. They usually have newer cars than I do, better cell phones, and bigger flatscreens hooked up to $149 monthly cable packages. Go redistribute the wealth of every millionaire and within 5 years, the same people will be millionaires.

When Trump talks about the way we get screwed on trade deals, he's 100% correct. That's why "his" party hates him... They worry he'll mess up their sweet deals. The other one talks about only deporting the "violent" illegal aliens... When did the law have room for such interpretation? Unless you consider yourself a king (or queen) you're supposed to change laws, not put your spin on their enforcement. As for Mr. Free College, why don't we hear about tuition caps? Salary caps for administration? And you realize when college is free, it's just another level of High School. Where is my reimbursement check? I would have much rather purchased a 1995 Mopar Perfomance Catalog 6-pack kit than boring-*** college credits.

Anyway... I don't want this to appear as a rant. Like I said, I respect you, admire your cars and have that common bond we pentastar people must keep. I just want to put the idea out there that "whomever is rich" can be determined by the perosn mob protesting in the street and eventually pointing a gun... Ask anyone who lived under Communism. It all started with good intentions. Capitalism ain't perfect, but it has one perfect idea... I exist for myself, not to be another's servant.
 
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Thank you for your thoughts. I am thinking that I must not have communicated my thoughts very well, as I am not disagreeing with what you seem to be thinking I am. I also respect you and you have a great deal of excellent input, knowledge and insights of the vehicles we both love.

For me, I am very suspect of trade deals myself, but making America great again depends on our country outperforming the rest of the world competitively in engineering, science and other related fields to make our businesses the best in the world performance-wise. We were great when we had the best automobiles in the world, the ones we admire on this site. There were plenty of good jobs and someone who wanted to work could get jobs that paid well and the middle class prospered. But other countries have caught up with us in technical capability to a large degree. There are plenty of great cars out there today for consumers to choose from. And many countries that are thriving do incentivize college education because it is an investment in their future. It we continue to saddle people going to college these days with enormous debt, it depreciates our country greatly compared to others that graduate many more engineers and other scientists per capita than we do. Ford, Chrysler (FCA) and General Motors today can't find enough engineers to hire that can do the work they need done. We need to fix that in order to make us great again. Our traditional manufacturers, while building much better vehicles than they ever have, still end up on the bottom of every reliability survey overall, although once and awhile some models do pretty well. We still need to improve if we are ever to beat Toyota in profits and sales.

Our Congress is not doing its job, and big money has corrupted a lot of politicians. Wall Street brought down our country in 2008 with their risky loans using bank depositors' money (yours and mine) to make these risky loans, not their own real earnings instead. That isn't Capitalism, it is B.S. When things collapsed, many people lost their houses and many people who still kept them are still upside down. But the big banks got bailed out and no one went to jail and putting back Glass-Steagall has been thwarted by the House every time it has been brought up for consideration. I respect that you worked hard and took reasonable risks, good investments and had to put yourself on the line to achieve what you have today. My real emphasis is that I have no patience with crooks who cheat the American people, and they are still corrupting congress and still making bad loans and we are going to pay for it again very likely. And the rich have too much influence in our elections - how else do you explain that we have Hillary Clinton as the Democratic nominee when some 70% the people in this country don't like her?

I don't care if Bill Gates or Warren Buffet has gotten rich either, as long as it is done legitimately which those two at least seem to have done. But making America great again requires, like anything else, that we are vigilent in ensuring that it is capitalism at work honestly so that we are not being screwed by insider trading, hedge fund managers being taxed on their income less than secretaries and other scams that screw hard working citizens. I love capitalism as long as it is conducted according to laws in place before being distorted by paid off politicians and repealed by dummies like Bill Clinton. So please don't get me wrong, I believe hard work and a competitive spirit is what makes America great along with other changes to bring back the genuine economic fairness of the 60s and 70s by and large. But the world has changed, and not for the better in so many ways, and we will never be great again unless we fix what is broken here. I am looking at the big picture, and we can't live in isolation anymore, nor will we prosper when the very rich corrupt our election system and buy our politicians to tilt the economy in their favor even more. I don't believe that just giving handouts to anyone does them any good either, but that is not the real problem when the poor have virtually nothing and can't make a living working 40 hours/week in jobs available to them regardless of color. The pressures on them are huge, they are desparate and angry and many are just plain going insane from it, and as long as opportunities continue to be poor, it will only get worse and violence will keep increasing.

My only point is that we need to fix our problems, and that requires a vigilant U.S. voter that will demand long overdue corrections based on engagement and understanding of the underlying problems without all the polarizing and ignorant rhetoric that dominates so much of the news today. I am not criticising our foundation, I am critical of its corruption. And I greatly respect initiative and hard work and am no socialist. I worked hard as a youth, had to work while going to college when it was reasonably affordable compared to today, and spent 6 years getting a masters degree in engineering, and Chrysler paid for the last two years to get my masters degree when I was selected as one of 10 persons in the country into the Chrysler Institute of Engineering in 1969. I loved working for Chrysler, and I just want it to be great again as the bulk of the real engineering is still being done today in the U.S. But I am fearful of its survival long term because our country is floundering and the middle class is disappearing due to corruption and rigging of the economy IMO.

Thank you for an honest and unheated discussion. We need more of it as a nation.:thumbsup:
 
Damn, most of the idiots supporting Trump and calling sanders a communist dont even know what communism really is. They just know what the media told them it is 50 years ago and they stick to it. Its time to think about the people and how to make the own inhabitants of the continent happy and not just big corporations.

One edit on the "make america great again" by outperforming the rest of the world in engeneering and so on, yes, I absolutely agree. I was actually shocked how "3rd world" some of the stuff in the US seems compared to the modern Europe I grew up in. The stoves, washer, dryers, Air conditioners thats all as modern as what we had over there 30 years ago, heck...America builds houses out of cardboard and wonder why a storm makes them fly away? People drive around in big *** lifted trucks which guzzle tons of gas just to ship around town!? And look at all the homeless because a social system to guarantee everyone a safe living is non-existent! But hey, at least we have our guns, right? I think the United states has a lot of work to do to outperform other countries. And dont even get me started on the law, they take little kids to jail, how barbaric.
 
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As a not disinterested Canadian observer it seems remarkable that both Bernie and the Donald have made so called "free trade" a major part of their platforms. Trump is the only one left standing but do I trust him to take action on this? Hardly. I do however enjoy the fact he makes the corporate media squirm. We are devolving into 3rd world status and current crop of political turds are the enablers.
Foreign Trade - U.S. Trade with China
Canada's Merchandise Trade with China
 
On the news this am...US houseing starts are up quite a bit.....if folks can't afford houses they rent..hang tough
 
I dont care much for either Candidate. But The Debates Between Trump & Hillary will be just about the Greatest thing i think i will ever watch.
 
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