patrick66
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As it should be. Our Nation, and indeed the Western World, has not been in this much danger since the end of WWII.
Paris is Burning
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As it should be. Our Nation, and indeed the Western World, has not been in this much danger since the end of WWII.
Tink
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Back to the original topic "Paris is Burning", thanks for starting this thread Commando. Politics are like cartoons these days, everything is over exaggerated. If you really want to discuss an issue, nothing beats a group with a common interest as they respect each other.
It was reported on the nightly news that the California shooters were "radicalized" years ago, before they married. They may even have had an arranged marriage, a common practice in the muslim world. What we need to know is how to identify "radicalized" anyone.
I was on a flight from Houston to Atlanta in September 2001 and was seated next to what appeared to me an agitated English speaking foreigner from some Middle East country. He would pick up a magazine and throw it down. When we landed in Atlanta he asked the flight attendant to be allowed to exit ahead of everyone. At some point during the flight the plane bounced and he remarked, you think that was bad, you haven't seen anything. All this is hindsight and I did look at the photos. I can't say he was one of the terrorists but it bothers me. My plane home on September 10th came from Logan.
If that were to happen again, you bet I would be a bit more diligent. We need these discussions.
It was reported on the nightly news that the California shooters were "radicalized" years ago, before they married. They may even have had an arranged marriage, a common practice in the muslim world. What we need to know is how to identify "radicalized" anyone.
I was on a flight from Houston to Atlanta in September 2001 and was seated next to what appeared to me an agitated English speaking foreigner from some Middle East country. He would pick up a magazine and throw it down. When we landed in Atlanta he asked the flight attendant to be allowed to exit ahead of everyone. At some point during the flight the plane bounced and he remarked, you think that was bad, you haven't seen anything. All this is hindsight and I did look at the photos. I can't say he was one of the terrorists but it bothers me. My plane home on September 10th came from Logan.
If that were to happen again, you bet I would be a bit more diligent. We need these discussions.
patrick66
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I don't travel by air anymore. I don't appreciate being treated like a criminal, especially when you see Middle Eastern-types walk right on through with minimum screening. When the TSA treated my-then 80-year-old mom like she was Osama, that signified the end of my days of air travel. Screw TSA, screw the airlines. Don't need the hassle.
I don't fly anymore unless it's rare work related travel.....even with my retired military ID and my Government issued CAC I get treated like Gaddafi! I have to laugh when I tell them that I was the Test Officer on the rapid scan explosives scanner they are using!
Fratzog
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Not saying I won't be vigilant but I will not to change my behaviour because some brainwashed rag heads are threatening me.
commando1
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18. You didn't know better. As for the rest... No excuse.lol To-Shea, But my DOB is 6/23/94 so in 2012 I was 18 which means, Yes I could Register to Vote
So you didn't buy into a junior first term senator for the second most politically corrupt city in the country as the best candidate? LOL
commando1
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I saw Obama right from the beginning as an African-American pretending to be Caucasion only t win the campaign to the Oval Office.
Midway through his first term, I became convinced I was right. I truly felt that his mission was repatriation for slavery and he was on a vendetta. I was also convinced he could never be reelected.
I woke up November 8th as a totally different person, an Angry Middle-class White Man. I saw the new direction that this once great country was now doomed to head toward.
The U. S. lowering its standards to that of india. 2% of the wealthy controlling 95% of the wealth and the other 98% living in slums. There is no middle class in India.
I am not surprised no attempts have been made on his life, despite the fact I hear on a daily basis, "I wish somebody would shoot that MotherF#####" Immediately upon his election the Secret Service was ordered to quadruple their budget. Quadruple. Four times that of any Caucasion president.
Midway through his first term, I became convinced I was right. I truly felt that his mission was repatriation for slavery and he was on a vendetta. I was also convinced he could never be reelected.
I woke up November 8th as a totally different person, an Angry Middle-class White Man. I saw the new direction that this once great country was now doomed to head toward.
The U. S. lowering its standards to that of india. 2% of the wealthy controlling 95% of the wealth and the other 98% living in slums. There is no middle class in India.
I am not surprised no attempts have been made on his life, despite the fact I hear on a daily basis, "I wish somebody would shoot that MotherF#####" Immediately upon his election the Secret Service was ordered to quadruple their budget. Quadruple. Four times that of any Caucasion president.
Yatzee
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I'm not sure that there's any place on any forum for statements like this:
"I had a FedEx delivery today. The driver looked Muslim. I should have killed him right there."
I wonder how he'd feel about this if he discovered the attending surgeons and nurses that were present after a serious
heart attack or accident were Muslim and his life depended on them. This is just plane hate no matter how you spell it.
"I had a FedEx delivery today. The driver looked Muslim. I should have killed him right there."
I wonder how he'd feel about this if he discovered the attending surgeons and nurses that were present after a serious
heart attack or accident were Muslim and his life depended on them. This is just plane hate no matter how you spell it.
commando1
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I never used to hate. Never. I've become in the last several years, how do you call it?.... Radicalized. We've been forced into being polarized with no common ground now.
Now don't be stupid. Of course I wouldnt kill anyone, let alone a Muslim looking man. It's just the mentality that current state of affairs has forced many of us into.
That was anger speaking. There's no need to put me on a "watch list" just because I expressed what I now feel. I wasn't brainwashed from birth that all Muslims must die in the name of God. I'm not going to make a woman go into a Mosque as a suicide bomber or I will rape, torture, and murder her family.
Fir gawdsakes, give me some credit.
And I hate 22"tires on cars. They belong on tractor-trailers only.
I wanted to slash them the second time I saw them (the first time for anything is unique. The second time is an assault on sanity) .
I will agree with you on one thing. A car forum isn't the right place for this. But things have gotten so bad in society now that is what is happening. It shouldn't be that way.
Let's keep it in one thread as a "safety outlet". If it goes to a second thread, I will admit it would have to stop.
Now don't be stupid. Of course I wouldnt kill anyone, let alone a Muslim looking man. It's just the mentality that current state of affairs has forced many of us into.
That was anger speaking. There's no need to put me on a "watch list" just because I expressed what I now feel. I wasn't brainwashed from birth that all Muslims must die in the name of God. I'm not going to make a woman go into a Mosque as a suicide bomber or I will rape, torture, and murder her family.
Fir gawdsakes, give me some credit.
And I hate 22"tires on cars. They belong on tractor-trailers only.
I wanted to slash them the second time I saw them (the first time for anything is unique. The second time is an assault on sanity) .
I will agree with you on one thing. A car forum isn't the right place for this. But things have gotten so bad in society now that is what is happening. It shouldn't be that way.
Let's keep it in one thread as a "safety outlet". If it goes to a second thread, I will admit it would have to stop.
Hater.
commando1
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Boomer
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Been busy but have followed this thread. While it's good to see a lengthy discussion on the matter by so many like-mind folks with only a few apologist-type responses that would blame us or our religion for it all, as the last presidential election shows - we're in the minority. The inmates are running the asylum, so to speak, thanks to a campaign of political correctness that threatens and discourages anyone who might otherwise speak out ("Racist! Racial profiler!" etc) and a media and public education system that puts this left-wing agenda above what is best for the country. Winning means more to them than surviving. After all, any smart person know that a hug and a few billion in government hand outs will cow them, right?
*DING*DING*DING*! But not just us, Stan - worldwide.
This video is a bit dated but the basis is sound, as is the math. The quotes and figures can be checked through various sources like the World Health Organization and others if you want to sink the time into it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74iYg1SQREo
I'd strongly suggest everyone view it, just ignore the turkish subtitles. It's about 7 minutes long and lays out clearly where the world is heading and why/how. Not hype, not propaganda, just simple math. The seeds have been sewn. Europe, whose socialist approach and open-door policies made it possible, will be the first to fall. We'll hang on a bit longer thanks to the bulk of our illegal immigrants being of the Catholic faith.
As to those who cling to the "It's just a small percentage of crazies" nonsense, some additional, simple math:
There are roughly 1.5 BILLION muslims.
If only 10% are nutjobs, that equals 150 *million*
If only 20% are nutjobs, that equals 300 million murderers wanting to kill us.
As of last year there were approximately 319 million Americans.
So, peaceful, loving muslims excepted, we can't kill the crazies fast enough. And the current political climate here makes it easier every day for them to use our system against us. Because after all, along with a hug and billions in hand outs, "We need to show the world we're better than that". They haven't figured it out yet, I guess.
*DING*DING*DING*! But not just us, Stan - worldwide.
This video is a bit dated but the basis is sound, as is the math. The quotes and figures can be checked through various sources like the World Health Organization and others if you want to sink the time into it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74iYg1SQREo
I'd strongly suggest everyone view it, just ignore the turkish subtitles. It's about 7 minutes long and lays out clearly where the world is heading and why/how. Not hype, not propaganda, just simple math. The seeds have been sewn. Europe, whose socialist approach and open-door policies made it possible, will be the first to fall. We'll hang on a bit longer thanks to the bulk of our illegal immigrants being of the Catholic faith.
As to those who cling to the "It's just a small percentage of crazies" nonsense, some additional, simple math:
There are roughly 1.5 BILLION muslims.
If only 10% are nutjobs, that equals 150 *million*
If only 20% are nutjobs, that equals 300 million murderers wanting to kill us.
As of last year there were approximately 319 million Americans.
So, peaceful, loving muslims excepted, we can't kill the crazies fast enough. And the current political climate here makes it easier every day for them to use our system against us. Because after all, along with a hug and billions in hand outs, "We need to show the world we're better than that". They haven't figured it out yet, I guess.
That video is both disturbing and frustrating.
If Muslims continue to bail out of their historical homeland at the current rate it appears our society is toast. That is disturbing.
The frustrating part, I think we did it to ourselves. When OPEC turned off the taps back in the early 70's we started to screw with middle east politics to "teach them a lesson". We started a bunch of wars to eliminate the leaders and to "free" the oppressed citizens. Turns out we "forced" the average citizen to get the hell out of Dodge and migrate to our countries where the streets were paved in gold. Well we now know how well that has worked out.
Looks like we are about to have a repeat of the religious crusades. The Crusades lasted almost 200 years, from 1095 to 1291 and were basically the Christians vs the Muslims to repatriate the "holy land". Well we know how well that has worked out.
There is however a solution, keep all our women pregnant and provide lots of education.
I'm not much of an educator, but I could help with the women.
BTW, Trump is right, shut the doors while we figure out what to do next.
If Muslims continue to bail out of their historical homeland at the current rate it appears our society is toast. That is disturbing.
The frustrating part, I think we did it to ourselves. When OPEC turned off the taps back in the early 70's we started to screw with middle east politics to "teach them a lesson". We started a bunch of wars to eliminate the leaders and to "free" the oppressed citizens. Turns out we "forced" the average citizen to get the hell out of Dodge and migrate to our countries where the streets were paved in gold. Well we now know how well that has worked out.
Looks like we are about to have a repeat of the religious crusades. The Crusades lasted almost 200 years, from 1095 to 1291 and were basically the Christians vs the Muslims to repatriate the "holy land". Well we know how well that has worked out.
There is however a solution, keep all our women pregnant and provide lots of education.
I'm not much of an educator, but I could help with the women.
BTW, Trump is right, shut the doors while we figure out what to do next.
Boomer
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Man, you have got to stop watching MSNBC and get out in the sunlight more. ;)
For starters, the one thing the president did follow through on is something he promised right after he was elected, to the effect of 'I will radically transform this country'.
He has done exactly that. Not that other politicians like Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi don't share some blame for their part in it, and there are certainly more than a few Republicans whose overall stupidity didn't make it any better.
But as much as he tries to avoid accountability and tries to talk his way out of the chaos he's created, the buck stops with him. It's 'his watch', plain and simple, and he's far more concerned about his ego than this country. His choices, decisions, and words prove that almost daily.
As for 2 percenters, I seriously doubt Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, the Hollywood glitterati and myriad of other wealthy Obama supporters are registered Republicans. If the last two elections count for anything, it certainly proves that the Right doesn't have a lock on the 2 percent wealth myth anymore (if they ever did).
Seriously - do yourself a favor: don't parrot the ancient anti-Bush/Cheney line from the left along with all the other talking points at this stage of the game. This discussion goes well beyond that and has evolved from problem to crisis in the last 7 years due to lack of leadership, plain and simple. That kind of attitude now is beyond corrosive. It's downright dangerous for the country, but certainly illustrates the comment I made above about the left-wing agenda.
BTW, I'm a registered Independent, so I don't have a dog in the political arena. I do care about the future of my country very much, however.
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I agree with Steve.
When Bush&Cheney went into their war with Saddam they started to make the problems really worse.
The middle east was always an area with a lot of wars and democracy is really unkown.
To many folks (ethnic groups) which don't have their own country (landspace) etcetc.
There was a balance down there for years even though it was based on some despots.
Gaddafi, Sadam Hussein, the Ayatollah from Iran as well as others were hating each other a lot but kept most of the things in balance. They were fightening with themselfs. With the fall of Saddam certain groups got more power and used the developing vacuum.
When Bush&Cheney went into their war with Saddam they started to make the problems really worse.
The middle east was always an area with a lot of wars and democracy is really unkown.
To many folks (ethnic groups) which don't have their own country (landspace) etcetc.
There was a balance down there for years even though it was based on some despots.
Gaddafi, Sadam Hussein, the Ayatollah from Iran as well as others were hating each other a lot but kept most of the things in balance. They were fightening with themselfs. With the fall of Saddam certain groups got more power and used the developing vacuum.
I agree with you that the President is not the strongest leader out there, but then again, who is in the face of all the money corrupting our Democracy? Only Trump has the kind of skills that could start to overcome the corruption of our country but he has other baggage that might be hard to deal with perhaps (but he is still better than any other Republican candidate out there). I am no real fan of many Democrats either, and I don't see Hillary being able to change anything (especially Wallstreet). My only point is that you are blaming a guy who is on watch, but dismissing the real cause of the inequality in this country - money and a society that doesn't watch what is going on. The Koch Brothers and Walmart elites typify the real peope involved in setting up political organizations that seek to secure their wealth, not the well being of everyone else in this country, much more so than the computer moguls and Hollywood types. I respect the President's decision not to get more invloved in the Middle East by committing our own troops there to get killed for what? The countries in the Middle East are all disorganized, fighting one another endlessly, and what do we get out of it by being there? Lets get on with using better energy sources than oil and let the Muslim faith in that part of the world reap the rewards of their beliefs. Why give them a reason to come looking for us? They will destroy themselves if left alone and were well along on that path until we intervened in another administration. I don't recall ever using MSNBC for any news input, but I would wager most of the posters in this thread watch mostly Fox News. Rather than just blame the President, the responsibility for the mess we are in falls on our shoulders, collectively, for not being more engaged and resisting attitudes that just bring us down as a country. We either cooperate and work together without rigging of the system by the priviliged or we will continue to fall as a nation. The ISIS threat is real, but it is not the real elephant in the room taking us down. My 2 cents.
CanCritter
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go trump go.....its time someone addressed the 800 lb gorilla's in the room instead of being politically correct...
Rwc
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The koch brothers, but not George soros? Not Bill Gates? Not mark zuckerberg? The only way to end this money=power is for everyone to start thinking for themselves, not what someone on TV tells us.
I think our best shot is someone who can't be easily purchased.
I think our best shot is someone who can't be easily purchased.
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