1966 Newport power steering pump snub stopper replacement

[newport_66]

My pump has excessive play in it (see video)




My understanding is the pump has little rubber stoppers that keep the pump from wobbling when turning.

I've bought a couple off ebay they're small. Can't figure out where they go and TBH if I took the pump off it probably wouldn't help me figure it out either.


Can someone give me guidance on how to remove the pump + install the snub stoppers?

 

[Dan Scully]

 

[58Special]

Well that was helpful thanks

 

[Grannys67]

FWIW, a popular alternative is to scrap the wobbly bracket and replace it with a 'TRW-style' pivot bracket. No rubber bumper to wear out; can be had for ~50-60 bucks, set it and forget it

 

[CBODY67]

The looseness you see is probably due to wear in the pivot areas of the pump brackets. As in holes which have become elongated a bit.

To me, the beauty of that bracketry's basic design is that it still leans into the load even sitting cock-eyed and crooked. Still works as designed.

Because of this design, the pump belt should NOT be as tight as a non-pivot bracket belt!!! That is what tends to wear things out sooner, by observation. With the lesser belt tension and the wider belt, belt life skyrockets significantly. A side benefit. Plus, not much belt squeal at all, unlike the solid-mount systems (as on GM cars of the era).

In our modern era, perhaps there is some sort of bushing material that could be installed at the pivot point? Like a bronze/OilLite door hinge pin bushing material, but sized for the larger bolt in the pump bracket.

DO install the bumpers, though.

CBODY67

 

[3175375]

The looseness you see is probably due to wear in the pivot areas of the pump brackets. As in holes which have become elongated a bit.

To me, the beauty of that bracketry's basic design is that it still leans into the load even sitting cock-eyed and crooked. Still works as designed.

Because of this design, the pump belt should NOT be as tight as a non-pivot bracket belt!!! That is what tends to wear things out sooner, by observation. With the lesser belt tension and the wider belt, belt life skyrockets significantly. A side benefit. Plus, not much belt squeal at all, unlike the solid-mount systems (as on GM cars of the era).

In our modern era, perhaps there is some sort of bushing material that could be installed at the pivot point? Like a bronze/OilLite door hinge pin bushing material, but sized for the larger bolt in the pump bracket.

DO install the bumpers, though.

CBODY67

I suspect that you could get a bronze bushing to insert in the holes.

 

[newport_66]

FWIW, a popular alternative is to scrap the wobbly bracket and replace it with a 'TRW-style' pivot bracket. No rubber bumper to wear out; can be had for ~50-60 bucks, set it and forget it

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Awesome! I was hoping someone would bring something like this up. Where can I buy one?

 

[Ross Wooldridge]

1966 & Later HEMI & Big Block TRW Power Steering Pump Bracket Kit-Repro – National Mo-Parts

 

[CBODY67]

For those who did not understand or appreciate the Chrysler design (as it was different from what Ford and GM used!), it is possible to weld-up the existing bracket solid. Which is what was done "back then".

Considering how the aged the belt on our '66 Newport is, it is more "set and forget" than the solid-mount bracket. I know it looks "different" to see a loose power steering belt, but when you consider the pump leans into the load, it makes perfect sense AND very significantly lengthened belt life.

In one respect, that power steering pump bracket is similar to a LOT of things Chrysler did back then, but people didn't understand as it was "different" than what others did. Just like Chrysler products, Ford, GM, and others were "cars", but each was designed by their unique chief engineers and each had their own quirks and such that gave them the "character" which modern vehicles seem to not have, or which has been so muted that you have to really look for it. There MIGHT have been many similarities, BUT they all "fixed" differently. Those were the "fun days"! When many GM engines had "50K mile spark plugs", because they were so hard to get to, etc.

With any solid power steering pump bracket, if the just squeals once, people usually try to tighten it so it does not squeal anymore . . . which can be a loosing battle. Not to mention the increased load on the bushings/bearings in the water pump and front crank main bearing.

Y'all enjoy, now, Ya Hear!
CBODY67

 

[newport_66]

1966 & Later HEMI & Big Block TRW Power Steering Pump Bracket Kit-Repro – National Mo-Parts

Does this not work with the federal?

Not really sure which one I have. Looks like the notch that indicates which one you have, is behind the pulley so I still need to take off the pump to see, is that correct? (so need to remove the pump and pulley to figure out if what kind of pump i have)

 

[Ross Wooldridge]

It fits both TRW & Federal pumps, I believe.

Federals have a number cast into them behind the pulley on the pump body, TRWs have the letters TRW cast in the same place.

 

[newport_66]

Anyone got pics of how the bracket is assembled?

I don't get why companys send you parts with no f-ing instructions

 

[cbarge]

FWIW, a popular alternative is to scrap the wobbly bracket and replace it with a 'TRW-style' pivot bracket. No rubber bumper to wear out; can be had for ~50-60 bucks, set it and forget it

View attachment 688558

Ya beat me to it and thanks for using my pic!
This bracket is the cats meow and solves sloppy pumps and loose belts!
You will need a different belt as the factree one will be too big.
Cheers!

 

[newport_66]

Ya beat me to it and thanks for using my pic!
This bracket is the cats meow and solves sloppy pumps and loose belts!
You will need a different belt as the factree one will be too big.
Cheers!

I've already bought the stock belt. Youre saying thats not going to fit? why didnt anyone mention that before or why doesnt the website mention that

 

[cbarge]

National Moparts carries the brackets.
1967-72 HEMI & Big Block Federal Power Steering Pump Bracket Kit-Repro – National Mo-Parts

Ya beat me to it and thanks for using my pic!
This bracket is the cats meow and solves sloppy pumps and loose belts!
You will need a different belt as the factree one will be too big.
Cheers!

I've already bought the stock belt. Youre saying thats not going to fit? why didnt anyone mention that before or why doesnt the website mention that

I did 2 cars and speaking from experience both had to get a different belt.
I can look it up and provide the proper belt number.

 

[Polara_500_Jr]

@HWYCRZR Found the video you were telling me about. now let's see if I can get it adjusted.

 

[CBODY67]

What model years used the "TRW-style" mount and how does it differ from the normal 1966-era pump bracket?

Just curious,
CBODY67

 

[Ross Wooldridge]

67, or 68 and up I believe. Was a B body thing also, I think. Not sure.

 

[newport_66]

Install instructions??? anybody?

Just looking for installation instructions.

If you have other conversations, take it someone where else.

 

[newport_66]

National Moparts carries the brackets.
1967-72 HEMI & Big Block Federal Power Steering Pump Bracket Kit-Repro – National Mo-Parts



I did 2 cars and speaking from experience both had to get a different belt.
I can look it up and provide the proper belt number.

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"I did 2 cars and speaking from experience both had to get a different belt.
I can look it up and provide the proper belt number."

Can you elaborate? was the belt too small? or big? and why?

Trying to get help from this forum....I got all these products from you guys but there's no installation instructions from the company and now finding out now I need a new belt, but got no idea why or where to buy that.

+unrelated questions that don't help me get this job done.


Might as well just bought stock replacement mount or rubber snub at this point.