For Sale 1971 Sport Fury GT Vegas CL

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I'm not ready yet, but I'm looking and waiting for the right car at the right time, and 12.5k for the right car at the right time is not off the grid, IMHO.


Okayyyy. Suppose this car is listed for $5K. Are you interested now?

Just to get some perspective on the emotion involved here. If this was a 1970 Barracuda vert listed here in the same condition what should be it's listed price? Definitely way more demand. Everywhere I look it seems the Barracuda vert in this condition is worth approximately 3x as much give or take. So would it be a good value at $36K as is?
 
You could part this car out and make more money than $2K (not suggesting to do that though, as that would be stupid). It has the stock matching numbers 440HP engine with HD torqueflite (beefed up planet carriers and clutches, etc), HP exhaust manifolds, and dual snorkel air cleaner. And the wheel covers would easily fetch $1.5K - as they are unobtainable, probably as rare as the so-called recall wheels on the 69s. Those parts alone are probably worth at least $4K, so the rest of the car included, all together and matching numbers isn't worth at least $5K? If this car were B7 blue, it would have been gone long ago at even $8 - $10K. This stuff about maybe worth $2K makes zero sense to me and this cheap think attitude among C body owners is one of the major reasons we can't find reproduction parts for these cars. Many people complain to me that I should not sell cars overseas, not leaving many here in the U.S.
But those outside the U.S. are willing to pay reasonable sums for these cars since they seem to appreciate their value much more than the guys here in the U.S. and they actually restore them to very nice condition, while the guys here in the U.S. just talk about it most of the time.
 
Okayyyy. Suppose this car is listed for $5K. Are you interested now?

Not for me since it is not the right car at the right time. My point is, for someone where it is the right time and right car, the value and or price is not necessarily the deciding factor. From what I'm seeing in the poorly staged photos, this car is something that can easily be polished and cleaned up to driver quality, providing all the "claimed" variables check out and there are no major mechanical issues. We all know that the the odometer has turned over, but the other factors are plausible, except for the ugly a$$ color of course.

Let's turn it around, is 12k too much for a rust free, driver quality, survivor of a scarce model from the end of the Plymouth's Rapid Transit System? I think we are right in the ball park, but that's my opinion.

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Just to get some perspective on the emotion involved here. If this was a 1970 Barracuda vert listed here in the same condition what should be it's listed price? Definitely way more demand. Everywhere I look it seems the Barracuda vert in this condition is worth approximately 3x as much give or take. So would it be a good value at $36K as is?

I'd have to say, there have been some seriously ridiculous prices for E bodies dragged out from yards missing 2/3rds of the metal and parts. A 318 Barracuda vert in the same condition as this SFGT may easily get that, probably more with the ease of "cloning".
 
You could part this car out and make more money than $2K (not suggesting to do that though, as that would be stupid). It has the stock matching numbers 440HP engine with HD torqueflite (beefed up planet carriers and clutches, etc), HP exhaust manifolds, and dual snorkel air cleaner. And the wheel covers would easily fetch $1.5K - as they are unobtainable, probably as rare as the so-called recall wheels on the 69s. Those parts alone are probably worth at least $4K, so the rest of the car included, all together and matching numbers isn't worth at least $5K? If this car were B7 blue, it would have been gone long ago at even $8 - $10K. This stuff about maybe worth $2K makes zero sense to me and this cheap think attitude among C body owners is one of the major reasons we can't find reproduction parts for these cars. Many people complain to me that I should not sell cars overseas, not leaving many here in the U.S.
But those outside the U.S. are willing to pay reasonable sums for these cars since they seem to appreciate their value much more than the guys here in the U.S. and they actually restore them to very nice condition, while the guys here in the U.S. just talk about it most of the time.


Cheap think attitude is another's more rational attitude. Is Stan cheap because he thinks it is overpriced yet he shows no reluctance to pay for a quality part or paint? As I said this is a contrast between emotion vs. business like. I am definitely business like with no emotion in my purchases. My purchases have to pencil out without going into the red. That is why there are no restoration parts as there aren't enough buyers to produce a part whose cost is not in the stratosphere.

Now if I paid 12.5K for this and then spent the minimum 30K for a professional restoration leaving me 42.5K into a 25K car when done then I am in the red should I be in the car business. Business POV says either I close the gap on the numbers or pass.

I have someone come into my office to talk about a piece of equipment they make. The item costs 60K and being cutting edge will be that way for 3-4 years max before obsolete in it's software. The item, in question, has about $1500 in hardware and 10K in software giving a markup of almost 6x. I ask him what are the current reimbursement rates for a scan? He knows but hesitates and I ask just tell me the Medicare rate. It is $35 and it was $45 two years ago.

I then tell him at 30K I can make it work and maybe make some money but at least break even on a monthly basis. They won't sell at that point and I say that is why you only get 1 out of 3. I will just send a scan down the street to another office to perform and they will email me the scan. He was so busy trying to sell me on all the bells and whistles (emotion) and I was focused only on the (business) issues of paying for it. I like it, would love to have it, but walked away from it as it doesn't pencil out. Was I cheap?
 
Cheap think attitude is another's more rational attitude. Is Stan cheap because he thinks it is overpriced yet he shows no reluctance to pay for a quality part or paint? As I said this is a contrast between emotion vs. business like. I am definitely business like with no emotion in my purchases. My purchases have to pencil out without going into the red. That is why there are no restoration parts as there aren't enough buyers to produce a part whose cost is not in the stratosphere.

Now if I paid 12.5K for this and then spent the minimum 30K for a professional restoration leaving me 42.5K into a 25K car when done then I am in the red should I be in the car business. Business POV says either I close the gap on the numbers or pass.

I have someone come into my office to talk about a piece of equipment they make. The item costs 60K and being cutting edge will be that way for 3-4 years max before obsolete in it's software. The item, in question, has about $1500 in hardware and 10K in software giving a markup of almost 6x. I ask him what are the current reimbursement rates for a scan? He knows but hesitates and I ask just tell me the Medicare rate. It is $35 and it was $45 two years ago.

I then tell him at 30K I can make it work and maybe make some money but at least break even on a monthly basis. They won't sell at that point and I say that is why you only get 1 out of 3. I will just send a scan down the street to another office to perform and they will email me the scan. He was so busy trying to sell me on all the bells and whistles (emotion) and I was focused only on the (business) issues of paying for it. I like it, would love to have it, but walked away from it as it doesn't pencil out. Was I cheap?

If you are into C bodies that have to "pencil out", then I think you should be in another "business". I can't imagine there are too many opportunities to make money or break even on them. To me this is a hobby and motivated by passion and I don't need my cars to "pencil out". There should be enough SFGT interested parties to be able to sell this particular GT for the $ range I suggested ($5000 - $8000). I really couldn't care less if it "pencils out" if I want to restore it to mint condition or just fix it up a little and enjoy it as a driver.
 
Yes I know its not a GT, but really, the word GT and it means how much more?

For me, the Sport Fury (non GT) that you reference is not only a GT as has been pointed out, but even more to me, it has one of the ugliest rear rooflines Chrysler ever made to my eyes.
 
And you call yourselves C body guys.......... All real C body guys get on this side of the room, all six of us, the rest of you....... over there.
 
I think if you bought the car for 3500 to 4000 and done the work yourself it could be finished for between 10,000 and 15,000 depending on how nice of paint job you can get. I do all my own mechanical work from bumper to bumper. This is a car I would do as I drive it. I'm still with you even at the price I just quoted that there is no money to be made or simply break even.


I drive these cars because they are Mopars and most of all I love working on them. I have decent shop with a lift and all the tools needed. I realize some don't.
 
I've looked the car over in person. The seller, nice as he is, is a dreamer. Everything he owns is top dollar and raggedy. Also, it's got over a 100k on the odo. There is rust around the rear glass which has been "fixed" with RTV silicone. He was not able to start the car for me as at the time the ignition switch was out, as was the fuel tank. But he swore up and down it ran.
All that said it's an original CA car with very minor rust. I did not bother to check engine/trans numbers, the asking price was so outlandish I knew there was no way he was going to sell it for a 'reasonable' price.
 
I agree there's no money to be made if you want to restore the car even if you get it for free. If it gets restored it will be because someone has a passion for the car. For me that's the whole point of the Cbody hobby.
 
I agree there's no money to be made if you want to restore the car even if you get it for free. If it gets restored it will be because someone has a passion for the car. For me that's the whole point of the Cbody hobby.
To say that one must blindly devote oneself to every c-body is testosterone talking. I give all C-bodies the extra respect they deserve. I will invest blindy in those that arouse my own personal passions.
Of course they are C-bodies and I have the two that I have needed all my life.
I don't need nor want them all.
I didn't know what I needed unil I found them.

If I opened the door to an abandoned building and that car was in there, and it was offered to me me for nothing I would be happier with myself If I could connect the right person to that car than think of the $$$ and cents of having it.
 
If it's survived as long as it has and if it still has all its original equipment, well then it needs to be restored. Is it worth what he's asking? Not to me but hopefully to somebody. Sometimes it seems as if these cars are talked about as if they're still being made today or easy to find. Newsflash people, the ones we're seeing on these threads are some of the last ones left and they're worth saving.
 
I was thinking that Cancritter bought one of these SFGTs - a Brougham no less, a while back that had some rust and needed restoration too, but bought it after it had been advertised for some time too. I recall it was white with gold stripes and a very nice gold interior with a ton of options, including even the hump mounted tape player/recorder. I believe he had it sent to be restored. He is one example of someone who appreciates these cars and is bringing it back to its former glory, despite what must be more cost than it will be worth in the end. But since his is a pretty special SFGT, maybe it will do OK if he ever wanted to sell it after restoring it.

UPDATE

I finally found the link to his story on his 1971 SFGT:

http://www.forcbodiesonly.com/mopar...ury-GT-Brogham&highlight=CanCritte+Sport+Fury
 
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I agree there's no money to be made if you want to restore the car even if you get it for free. If it gets restored it will be because someone has a passion for the car. For me that's the whole point of the Cbody hobby.

But to get $50K into a car that would bring $30K tops as a restored car is just plain dumb. Passion or not. Would you buy a house for $200K that was worth $100K? No, you wouldn't. Even if that was THE house of your dreams!
 
There is a bazillion houses..... much less of a choice on 71 GTs


And I am VERY upside down on my mortgage, but it's home and not another one like it
 
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