For Sale 1970 CHRYSLER THREE HUNDRED 2 DOOR HARDTOP

[fc7_plumcrazy]

Steve recaped it well.
Do it once and do it right
Cracked windshields if not from a rock come often because of rust in the window channel. So there will be some work to fix it right. And you can see in the roof pics that there is rust already lurking out of the cracked v-roof in various other placec. So it needs to be taken off to prevent further rust if you want to use&drive it.

The car needs all the typical going through mechanically as it wasn't used much in the past years.

I like the colour a lot but it wasn't original paint anymore.
IMHO the car is worth the price were it ended it was just more work that I wanted at this time exspecially for an non original paint car.

Carsten

 

[fury fan]

My body/paint guy is a pro and he has fixed rust just like this car for a couple of mine...
One could fix the roof on this car very well for a grand or two, and sell it to Europe and still make money.

2 good counterpoints here, from you and Carsten.

So I'll then presume its $2000 to fix it all, to include replacing the windshield and VT.
Then the $$ to get it back to being a reliable car, which would easily be $1000 without labor, then a rough ballpark of $4000 for a paintjob, and that wouldn't be a great one, either.
So it just roughly became a $13000 car. I can't speak for EU buyers, but I'm thinking that would be a hard sell for the US market?

 

[saforwardlook]

Yes, it would be a hard sell for the US market because these cars aren't all that valued over here by many people, whereas, they are valued by the Europeans. A friend of mine is always getting requests from his clients to find them a 1970 300 as nice as this one, especially if a few $$ were put into it to get it running and fixed up a little. Generally, they would do painting over in Europe and maybe even the bodywork it needs. And folks in the US with interest in these cars are usually the middle class, and they generally have no disposable money anymore, just a load of debt - just go see "Cash Call to get the equity our of your house and use the paperwork from the last refi you did a couple years ago and your done!". Europe isn't as clueless as the US public about all the spoils going to the top and they don't stupidly rely on credit for everything that folks in the US do to buy something. They save for their purchases. Their government works better for the middle class than does ours, at least for now. But that is another whole discussion that I won't get into again on this board. Over 90% of the 20 cars like this one that I have sold in the recent past have gone to overseas buyers who I have never had a problem with in any way, and who will pay the price and I don't have to deal with Craigslist morons either. They want to buy from me because they know me well, and they almost always get screwed big time when they try to buy direct from a US seller that they do not know. Says a lot about the integrity of the average seller here in the US too. Times have changed here.

 

[sauterd]

Yes, it would be a hard sell for the US market because these cars aren't all that valued over here by many people, whereas, they are valued by the Europeans. A friend of mine is always getting requests from his clients to find them a 1970 300 as nice as this one, especially if a few $$ were put into it to get it running and fixed up a little. Generally, they would do painting over in Europe and maybe even the bodywork it needs. And folks in the US with interest in these cars are usually the middle class, and they generally have no disposable money anymore, just a load of debt - just go see "Cash Call to get the equity our of your house and use the paperwork from the last refi you did a couple years ago and your done!". Europe isn't as clueless as the US public about all the spoils going to the top and they don't stupidly rely on credit for everything that folks in the US do to buy something. They save for their purchases. Their government works better for the middle class than does ours, at least for now. But that is another whole discussion that I won't get into again on this board. Over 90% of the 20 cars like this one that I have sold in the recent past have gone to overseas buyers who I have never had a problem with in any way, and who will pay the price and I don't have to deal with Craigslist morons either. They want to buy from me because they know me well, and they almost always get screwed big time when they try to buy direct from a US seller that they do not know. Says a lot about the integrity of the average seller here in the US too. Times have changed here.

thanks for the comments, very interesting. And at the risk of asking you this again, just wondered if you could list the top Fuselage models and years (converts?) that are currently in demand overseas? thanks.

Dale

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

2 good counterpoints here, from you and Carsten.

So I'll then presume its $2000 to fix it all, to include replacing the windshield and VT.
Then the $$ to get it back to being a reliable car, which would easily be $1000 without labor, then a rough ballpark of $4000 for a paintjob, and that wouldn't be a great one, either.
So it just roughly became a $13000 car. I can't speak for EU buyers, but I'm thinking that would be a hard sell for the US market?

No counterpoint IMHO.

Flippers who want to buy&sell for a profit don't like spending money.
No offense against flippers but they have to calculate

On the opposite there are those who buy a certain car because they really desire it.
If I do so I don't care how much it will cost till it has the condition I want to have in.
I just care about the fact that the car meets my desire.
I am in it for the cars, not the money.

And I spent my money, not the money loaned from a bank

Carsten

 

[sauterd]

No counterpoint IMHO.

Flippers who want to buy&sell for a profit don't like spending money.
No offense against flippers but they have to calculate

On the opposite there are those who buy a certain car because they really desire it.
If I do so I don't care how much it will cost till it has the condition I want to have in.
I just care about the fact that the car meets my desire.
I am in it for the cars, not the money.

And I spent my money, not the money loaned from a bank

Carsten

sorry if you find it offensive that I borrowed money for C bodies. I kind of thought you might appreciate my appreciation for them for doing such. Just an observation. Not saying it's the smartest thing to do, but why run me down for borrowing??

 

[fury fan]

No counterpoint IMHO.

Flippers who want to buy&sell for a profit don't like spending money.
No offense against flippers but they have to calculate

On the opposite there are those who buy a certain car because they really desire it.
If I do so I don't care how much it will cost till it has the condition I want to have in.
I just care about the fact that the car meets my desire.
I am in it for the cars, not the money.

And I spent my money, not the money loaned from a bank

Carsten

No, it was a counterpoint - about EU willing to pay whatever the asking price is.

And now this is solely about me, but I'm sure I'm not alone: I'm not a flipper - but yes, I do calculate.

Every car I've bought either has stayed around for several years, or I put some work into it that the last owner didn't (for whatever reason) and I made it a better car to sell, or it went into useful parts. And that rarely translated into huge $$ for me, often I probably made <$10/hour. I, too, was in it for the cars.

I work for (almost) everything I get, and I have to meter it out amongst a variety of obligations. I did not get to where I am by being casual, buying on impulse, or paying full price simply because it's something I want. Everything must be calculated against whether it is a good decision. That decision must consider what a car should cost (a personal judgment), what surprises it will bring (by experience), how much I will invest overall (a hunch), and would it might be worth afterward (usually less than it should because US C-body guys don't pay like EU, apparently). And since I don't have unlimited funds -- yes, I must calculate.

 

[sauterd]

No, it was a counterpoint - about EU willing to pay whatever the asking price is.

And now this is solely about me, but I'm sure I'm not alone: I'm not a flipper - but yes, I do calculate.

Every car I've bought either has stayed around for several years, or I put some work into it that the last owner didn't (for whatever reason) and I made it a better car to sell, or it went into useful parts. And that rarely translated into huge $$ for me, often I probably made <$10/hour. I, too, was in it for the cars.

I work for (almost) everything I get, and I have to meter it out amongst a variety of obligations. I did not get to where I am by being casual, buying on impulse, or paying full price simply because it's something I want. Everything must be calculated against whether it is a good decision. That decision must consider what a car should cost (a personal judgment), what surprises it will bring (by experience), how much I will invest overall (a hunch), and would it might be worth afterward (usually less than it should because US C-body guys don't pay like EU, apparently). And since I don't have unlimited funds -- yes, I must calculate.

Amen, brother....and I've never "tried" to make money off Mopars in all the years I've owned them. As it worked out, I always lost money on them, just because they happened to be cheap when I needed to sell them. I admit some of the reason for borrowing is in case prices rise, but it has nothing to with "flipping" i wouldn't know how to do that if I tried probably. I'm sure I'll end up losing in the end by just not saving and buying, but thought I'd try to get a few of my favorites fuselage cars at the present. As ya'll probably noticed, my main problem has been figuring out what to buy, and whether to keep it or go to something else, which is also a bad trait to have in this hobby I realize, but oh well...

Dale

 

[saforwardlook]

No, it was a counterpoint - about EU willing to pay whatever the asking price is.

And now this is solely about me, but I'm sure I'm not alone: I'm not a flipper - but yes, I do calculate.

Every car I've bought either has stayed around for several years, or I put some work into it that the last owner didn't (for whatever reason) and I made it a better car to sell, or it went into useful parts. And that rarely translated into huge $$ for me, often I probably made <$10/hour. I, too, was in it for the cars.

I work for (almost) everything I get, and I have to meter it out amongst a variety of obligations. I did not get to where I am by being casual, buying on impulse, or paying full price simply because it's something I want. Everything must be calculated against whether it is a good decision. That decision must consider what a car should cost (a personal judgment), what surprises it will bring (by experience), how much I will invest overall (a hunch), and would it might be worth afterward (usually less than it should because US C-body guys don't pay like EU, apparently). And since I don't have unlimited funds -- yes, I must calculate.

I truly laud your efforts to calcualte. If there is anything that has really changed in the US mindset compared to days past, IMO, it is the tendency for people to rely on desires, impulses and influence of people/special interests who are not out to do others good - just line their pockets or influence the public to give up their hard earned democracy and properly governed capitalism, and do almost no analysis of what is going on or where all this will lead us. That is the one big reason why so many are in debt with no savings, and we have two candidates for President that are an insult for running this country to choose from realistically. So do continue make the calculations that work for your situation - that is great.

My attempt was only to point out that the US isn't the only market for our favorite vehicles, and the US buyers are seldom the new owners of cars that are up for sale these days that are worth buying. The ones that are mainly bought over here are the under $2000 cars that need a lot of work and are mainly just something to rot in the backyard as a representation of unfulfilled dreams.

None of what I said was pointed at anyone in particular, as I can not know anyone's particular circumstances and I believe the same goes for Carsten's comments.

 

[sauterd]

I truly laud your efforts to calcualte. If there is anything that has really changed in the US mindset compared to days past, IMO, it is the tendency for people to rely on desires, impulses and influence of people/special interests who are not out to do others good - just line their pockets or influence the public to give up their hard earned democracy and properly governed capitalism, and do almost no analysis of what is going on or where all this will lead us. That is the one big reason why so many are in debt with no savings, and we have two candidates for President that are an insult for running this country to choose from realistically. So do continue make the calculations that work for your situation - that is great.

My attempt was only to point out that the US isn't the only market for our favorite vehicles, and the US buyers are seldom the new owners of cars that are up for sale these days that are worth buying. The ones that are mainly bought over here are the under $2000 cars that need a lot of work and are mainly just something to rot in the backyard as a representation of unfulfilled dreams.

None of what I said was pointed at anyone in particular, as I can not know anyone's particular circumstances and I believe the same goes for Carsten's comments.

excellent points. I agree. Though, just to play Devil's Advocate, one could argue that those that made the cars we love possible many times also had "desires, impulses and influence of people/special interests who are not out to do others good - just line their pockets." Not all, of course, but I guess I'm just saying that, no; capitalism is far from perfect, but it's the best system in my opinion. And (unfortunately) there's a lot of what you mention that goes on to make it work--the drive to become better and make money (which in and of itself I don't believe is wrong, but then it gets tricky when you have to decide choices to make.) I'll never forget my freshman class in Sociology back in Indiana, the professor told us the story of how Ford calculated how much would cost more, the lawsuits of dead and burned victims or fixing the known problem of the Pinto gas tank. I know there are a million other examples too. However, I agree with you that these days it's gotten downright terrible and pretty scary. Oh well, thanks for the conversation....I know I kind of went a bit off topic there.....Dale

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

sorry if you find it offensive that I borrowed money for C bodies. I kind of thought you might appreciate my appreciation for them for doing such. Just an observation. Not saying it's the smartest thing to do, but why run me down for borrowing??

Hi Dale,

sorry for the misunderstood. This wasn't meant in any way against you personally.

My intense was to say that I know I spent sometimes more money than something is worth as a final result on the open market. So I burn my money. But it is worth it to me

Carsten

 

[sauterd]

Hi Dale,

sorry for the misunderstood. This wasn't meant in any way against you personally.

My intense was to say that I know I spent sometimes more money than something is worth as a final result on the open market. So I burn my money. But it is worth it to me

Carsten

no problem, Carsten, thanks. I see what you mean, sorry to take offense. have a great night.
Dale

 

[fury fan]

That is the one big reason why so many are in debt with no savings, and we have two candidates for President that are an insult for running this country to choose from realistically.

Agreed, we have 2 terrible choices, worst I've ever seen since I started watching politics. I think this election will have pathetic turnout, and many of those that do will not be voting for someone -- they will be voting against the other one. I think we had better candidates available but the system filtered them out.

None of what I said was pointed at anyone in particular, as I can not know anyone's particular circumstances and I believe the same goes for Carsten's comments.

I realize that, and I agree that Carsten wasn't targeting any of us. I was just trying to respond to Carsten's comment that flippers calculate -- to show that not everyone that does is a flipper, and an explanation why.

 

[saforwardlook]

excellent points. I agree. Though, just to play Devil's Advocate, one could argue that those that made the cars we love possible many times also had "desires, impulses and influence of people/special interests who are not out to do others good - just line their pockets." Not all, of course, but I guess I'm just saying that, no; capitalism is far from perfect, but it's the best system in my opinion. And (unfortunately) there's a lot of what you mention that goes on to make it work--the drive to become better and make money (which in and of itself I don't believe is wrong, but then it gets tricky when you have to decide choices to make.) I'll never forget my freshman class in Sociology back in Indiana, the professor told us the story of how Ford calculated how much would cost more, the lawsuits of dead and burned victims or fixing the known problem of the Pinto gas tank. I know there are a million other examples too. However, I agree with you that these days it's gotten downright terrible and pretty scary. Oh well, thanks for the conversation....I know I kind of went a bit off topic there.....Dale

I favor capitalism, but I also believe it too needs checks and balances (enforced laws) for it to work as desired, like most every other form of running an economy.

 

[commando1]

The Europeans and Australians are merely holding and preserving them for us.
Take good care of them, guys.

 

[Wollfen]

The Europeans and Australians are merely holding and preserving them for us.
Take good care of them, guys.

Lol, umm thank you?

 

[commando1]

I have a lot of faith in Trump in turning this thing around. LOL

 

[bluefury361]

I have a lot of faith in Trump in turning this thing around. LOL

....... That's funny, scary, but funny.

 

[sauterd]

I have a lot of faith in Trump in turning this thing around. LOL

well, he's got major issues, but compared to what the Democratic Party has turned into, I'd almost vote for Satan himself if he ran against HRC. Sorry, i know I got political....I'll stop now

 

[sauterd]

Lol, umm thank you?

I'll second that, Gary; you are helping preserve mine now !!